eyeball Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 U.S. President Barack Obama has called on nations around the globe to support the U.S.-led coalition against Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) militants, calling the group "the cancer of violent extremism." "There can be no reasoning, no negotiation, with this brand of evil," Obama told the UN General Assembly on Wednesday. http://www.cbc.ca/news/multimedia/members-of-the-anti-isis-coalition-1.2777451 Yes, we've heard it all before. Network of death, ideology of hate - it get's a little stale to say the least. If I'm to ever get behind this what I'll need to hear echoed loud and clear across the coalition and in the UN is that there can also be no more reasoning, negotiation or dealing with the sorts dictatorships at the genesis of this cancer. Many reformists might well agree with this fight, too, now that ISIS has morphed into the threat it is today. But they stand aside knowing there was a way to prevent all this. Nahlah Ayed There is still time for Canada to capitalize on it's refusal to join the first invasion of Iraq and the reason why, by calling for a real war that will not just stop with the accomplishment of some one off mission against ISIS. The goal should be to firmly establish the Arab Spring along with the infrastructure and rebuilding it needs to start turning spring into summer. Anything less is a complete waste of time. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 ...There is still time for Canada to capitalize on it's refusal to join the first invasion of Iraq and the reason why, by calling for a real war that will not just stop with the accomplishment of some one off mission against ISIS. Actually, this is the main reason why Canada will have very little influence on what happens. "Calling for a real war" means nothing given the resources that Canada has to commit for such a strategy. More energy will be spent on domestic election politics than combat missions. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 Probably, but we have put our economy on a war footing and even built the 4th largest military in the world back when we used to be committed to fighting tyranny. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 Probably, but we have put our economy on a war footing and even built the 4th largest military in the world back when we used to be committed to fighting tyranny. You're confusing military with navy.......granted the majority of said navy was comprised of vessels not much larger than your typical fishing boat..... Quote
eyeball Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Fair enough...now what's to stop everyone from contributing what they can towards the goal I described? Edited October 4, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Argus Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 The goal should be to firmly establish[/size] the Arab Spring along with the infrastructure and rebuilding it needs to start turning spring into summer. Anything less is a complete waste of time. Because the Arab Spring has done such wonders for people everywhere else it has uh, sprung. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Derek 2.0 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 Fair enough...now what's to stop everyone from contributing what they can towards the goal I described? This goal: The goal should be to firmly establish the Arab Spring along with the infrastructure and rebuilding it needs to start turning spring into summer. Anything less is a complete waste of time. I would say lack of political capital endowed by the populace, fostered by the influx of 24/7 media. Quote
eyeball Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 My guess is it'll take a galvanizing event, probably the spread of dictatorship here - the response to the event(s) that cause it's spread in the first place. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 My guess is it'll take a galvanizing event, probably the spread of dictatorship here - the response to the event(s) that cause it's spread in the first place. I doubt it.......perception and context is lost on many........There were more allied deaths during the Normandy invasion, then there's been fighting the war on terror since 2001.....One has to ask, why was World War II a just war, but the War on Terror is not? Quote
eyeball Posted October 4, 2014 Author Report Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Like you said, perception and context fostered by the influx of 24/7 media. One has to ask, would WW2 have been perceived as being just if it was placed in the context of the 1st WW that preceded it? A world war in which the ground the roots of the WOT can be traced to was tilled. Edited October 4, 2014 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 WW1 was really a dumb ass war...glad my country stayed out of it as long as it did. Hell, could have just as well joined the Germans instead of the British and Canadians but they owed us more money ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 4, 2014 Report Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) Like you said, perception and context fostered by the influx of 24/7 media. One has to ask, would WW2 have been perceived as being just if it was placed in the context of the 1st WW that preceded it? A world war in which the ground the roots of the WOT can be traced to was tilled. Could not that be asked of any war, namely in the context of white people, to borrow your phrase, diddling in the Middle East? This clash of civilizations is hardly new.... Edited October 4, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Posted October 5, 2014 I think WW1 was different, it was more in-house and about who got to do the diddling. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 I think WW1 was different, it was more in-house and about who got to do the diddling. What is the difference, in your view, between the First World War's aims (and results) in the Middle East and that of the Romans 2000 years earlier? Different actors, but same script. Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Posted October 5, 2014 I notice the Roman Empire is gone... something to do with fiddling apparently...fiddlers and diddlers...same crap different bucket just like you said. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 I notice the Roman Empire is gone... something to do with fiddling apparently...fiddlers and diddlers...same crap different bucket just like you said. So to the Third Republic and Pax Britannica........and one day, Pax Americana, that is a constant, yet eventual theme of all Empires.......But the human precondition to violence and tribalism will remain…….as long as there are humans and tribes. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 'Tis better to have fiddled and diddled as an empire and lost...than never to have fiddled and diddled at all. --Alfred Lord Tennyson Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 'Tis better to have fiddled and diddled as an empire and lost...than never to have fiddled and diddled at all. --Alfred Lord Tennyson Such actions beget Empires......and maintain them. Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Posted October 5, 2014 Until it fells them, but in the meantime...don't bogart the popcorn. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 Until it fells them, but in the meantime...don't bogart the popcorn. .......or another returns the favour......until such a time though, inaction will only hasten the inevitable.... Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Posted October 5, 2014 You mean even faster than the inevitable that's been happening since the last time action was taken? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 You mean even faster than the inevitable that's been happening since the last time action was taken? Without a doubt.......as I'm sure you know, our economic engine is fuelled by dinosaur bones under all that sand.......When the oil stops, everything stops Quote
eyeball Posted October 5, 2014 Author Report Posted October 5, 2014 We have more dinosaur bones than we already know what to do with. So you seriously think we're like Rome on the cusp of the fall because of ISIS? C'mon you're not really that scared of these guy's are you? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 5, 2014 Report Posted October 5, 2014 We have more dinosaur bones than we already know what to do with. So you seriously think we're like Rome on the cusp of the fall because of ISIS? C'mon you're not really that scared of these guy's are you? Not scared of ISIS presently, but if left unchecked, what they will become........... Quote
GostHacked Posted October 6, 2014 Report Posted October 6, 2014 Not scared of ISIS presently, but if left unchecked, what they will become........... Become what exactly? Quote
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