On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I have to wonder why Harper has avoided allowing opp. leaders to be sworn into the Privy Council and allowed to hear whatever the gov. has got. Is he just chickenshit/arrogant as usual, or is there just no info to share? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I can see this making the Green Party review its policies. Why is that? Per the several political polls released, it appears that Hyer shares the same views as the majority of Canadians and the Government with regards to ISIS. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I have to wonder why Harper has avoided allowing opp. leaders to be sworn into the Privy Council and allowed to hear whatever the gov. has got. Is he just chickenshit/arrogant as usual, or is there just no info to share? Tom Mulcair is a member of the Privy Council.... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 Why is that? Per the several political polls released, it appears that Hyer shares the same views as the majority of Canadians and the Government with regards to ISIS. Right...what a bunch of bloodthirsty warmongers ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Right...what a bunch of bloodthirsty warmongers ! Indeed.....He also voted with the Government on tossing the LGR. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Tom Mulcair is a member of the Privy Council.... And was told absolutely nothing. Harper arrogance rears it's ugly head again. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 And was told absolutely nothing. Harper arrogance rears it's ugly head again. What do you feel he wasn't told? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 What do you feel he wasn't told? It has nothing to do with what I feel. What he said was he was told nothing as to what led Harper to decide to go to war. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 It has nothing to do with what I feel. What he said was he was told nothing as to what led Harper to decide to go to war. The reason(s) for war are quite clear.... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 The reason(s) for war are quite clear.... Yeah yeah yeah, we have all heard that. But you are using that to ignore the Privy Council issue. Please try to refrain from using the phrase "quite clear" It has such a negative context nowadays as Harper spews it constantly as one of his flacid talking point beginnings. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 Welcome aboard Canada...now let's go drop some bombs ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Talking about "bombs". Right on time! Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Yeah yeah yeah, we have all heard that. But you are using that to ignore the Privy Council issue. Please try to refrain from using the phrase "quite clear" It has such a negative context nowadays as Harper spews it constantly as one of his flacid talking point beginnings. What Privy Council issue? Are the actions of ISIS in Iraq and Syria not clear to you? In the other ISIS thread, there is a throng of your own posts demonstrating support for military action......now you're not so sure? Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Welcome aboard Canada...now let's go drop some bombs ! the U.S. broke it... let it try and clean up its own mess! "Inevitable" is a strong word, but the appearance of ISIS and the general spread of radical jihadism is a fairly natural outgrowth of Washington wielding its sledgehammer at the fragile society of Iraq, which was barely hanging together after a decade of US-UK sanctions so onerous that the respected international diplomats who administered them via the UN both resigned in protest, charging that they were "genocidal." One of the most respected mainstream US Middle East analysts, former CIA operative Graham Fuller, recently wrote that "I think the United States is one of the key creators of [iSIS]. The United States did not plan the formation of ISIS, but its destructive interventions in the Middle East and the war in Iraq were the basic causes of the birth of ISIS." He is correct, I think. The situation is a disaster for the US, but is a natural result of its invasion. One of the grim consequences of US-UK aggression was to inflame sectarian conflicts that are now tearing Iraq to shreds, and have spread over the whole region, with awful consequences. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 Don't worry....the U.S. will be there with you every step of the way. Need more bombs ? Need more JDAM kits ? Need more "jets" ? No problem...you know where to get them...and a lot more ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 What Privy Council issue? Are the actions of ISIS in Iraq and Syria not clear to you? In the other ISIS thread, there is a throng of your own posts demonstrating support for military action......now you're not so sure? Let me be clear, I certainly don't support IS. I would happilly see them long gone. I would have thought perhaps Harper could leave the vote getting idea alone for once, in such an important issue, and at least tried to bring the other two leading reperesentatives of the Canadian people on board with what the plan, assumin gther is one, actually is. We're not talking new parking meters here. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 the U.S. broke it... let it try and clean up its own mess! The Allies at the end of the First World War "broke" Germany.......should we, like Justin's father, stayed out of the fight against Nazi Germany? Is that the Liberals new meme? Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Welcome aboard Canada...now let's go drop some bombs ! Don't worry....the U.S. will be there with you every step of the way. Need more bombs ? Need more JDAM kits ? Need more "jets" ? No problem...you know where to get them...and a lot more ! a patheticly desperate attempt to inflame... Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Don't worry....the U.S. will be there with you every step of the way. Need more bombs ? Need more JDAM kits ? Need more "jets" ? No problem...you know where to get them...and a lot more ! I don't think you understood the gist of the previous. Why should we help you clean up a mess you made? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Let me be clear, I certainly don't support IS. I would happilly see them long gone. I would have thought perhaps Harper could leave the vote getting idea alone for once, in such an important issue, and at least tried to bring the other two leading reperesentatives of the Canadian people on board with what the plan, assumin gther is one, actually is. We're not talking new parking meters here. Going to war is not a "vote getting idea" and could very well harm the Tories if it went sour, but of course, Harper is also the head of the Government which requires him to act on events such as these.......But why is its Harper's job to bring the NDP and Liberals along? It is they, based on recent polls, that choose to go against the wishes of the majority of Canadians.....perhaps not the majority of those in Quebec mind you. Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 (edited) The Allies at the end of the First World War "broke" Germany.......should we, like Justin's father, stayed out of the fight against Nazi Germany? Is that the Liberals new meme? another pathetic attempt to inflame. You tried this yesterday with your slimeball reference to a motorcycle helmet... which follows an earlier pathetic slimeball attempt where you dropped an innuendo laced comment about "something so devastating out there as to rock the foundations of JT's marriage'. You sir, are a slimeball wizard! Someone else put you on notice as to what relevance you thought someone long dead, someone longer out of government (50 years!) could possibly have. You failed to answer... let me ask that same line of questioning again... waiting. Edited October 8, 2014 by waldo Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Report Posted October 8, 2014 I guess what surprises me most is how badly most of you peacemongers guessed this would turn out. A majority of the "Canadian people" will not stand by and let ISIL continue to rape and pillage with impunity. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 Going to war is not a "vote getting idea" and could very well harm the Tories if it went sour, but of course, Harper is also the head of the Government which requires him to act on events such as these.......But why is its Harper's job to bring the NDP and Liberals along? It is they, based on recent polls, that choose to go against the wishes of the majority of Canadians.....perhaps not the majority of those in Quebec mind you. Harper is taking a big risk. Heaven forbid, but when the first F 18 gets shot down and/or the first CF soldier dies, those polls will begin to swing. Mulcair and JT will be in a perfect position to say "I told you so". Were he a little less arrogant and a little smarter, he may have decided to at least make an attempt to bring the opposition on side. Once again, we are not talking about new parking meters here. Quote
waldo Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 I guess what surprises me most is how badly most of you peacemongers guessed this would turn out. A majority of the "Canadian people" will not stand by and let ISIL continue to rape and pillage with impunity. given your posting history and what you've written showing your absolute disregard and uncaring for the millions of Iraqi refugees and the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi citizens killed... are you now saying you actually give a damn about "raping and pillaging"? Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted October 8, 2014 Report Posted October 8, 2014 another pathetic attempt to inflame. You tried this yesterday with your slimeball reference to a motorcycle helmet... which follows an earlier pathetic slimeball attempt where you dropped an innuendo laced comment about "something so devastating out there as to rock the foundations of JT's marriage'. You sir, are a slimeball wizard! Someone else put you on notice as to what relevance you thought someone long dead, someone longer out of government (50 years!) could possibly have. You failed to answer... let me ask that same line of questioning again... waiting. Attempt to inflame? Do you not think Trudeau's disparaging (and baseless) remarks about the Canadian Forces were an attempt to inflame (and crack a few jokes) at the expense of the men and women in the armed forces? Now answer the question posed of you.......you suggested ISIS wasn't our mess to clean up, do you share that meme with the Second World War? Korea? How about Rwanda? Quote
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