On Guard for Thee Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 How about you provide one iota of proof of your assertions, is honesty even a thing to you? Or are you as you appear to be, a political hack who cares for only your agenda, one who is more than willing to lie in order to pass it around? Maybe you should inform yourself a little about the NCC before spouting off. Here is a start for you. http://www.canadianprogressiveworld.com/2012/02/16/ncc-fundraising-letter-exposes-stephen-harpers-hypocrisy/ Quote
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 (edited) Harper let the Health Accord expire... The Liberals designed it to expire. They clearly realized, as you clearly do not, that a yearly 6% increase was unsustainable. And Harper actually continued the program for a further five years, then lowered it to a more sustainable 3% increase. How does the dictator Harper arrive at his health cuts figure without engaging the provinces to recognize provincial health funding requirements? The dictator Harper? His health cuts? Are you taking your cues in stupid talking points from Donald Trump? Edited July 28, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 I think calling a cut somehow an increase has a different descriptor than pedantic. I think calling an increase a cut has a more accurate descriptor as 'lie'. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 You actually don't see the irony in complaining about anti-harper rants......in a thread created to "demonize" 2 other parties......brilliant. Apparently the term 'off topic' is a great mystery to you. Maybe you should visit one of those topics down at the bottom of the page where some people complain about trolls Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Harper has always been pretty clear that he hates public health care. Drivel. And he is a devious bastard. He thought he was going to trick seniors into giving up Martin's promised funding in 2008 Martin's funding expired! How hard is it for you people from the far edge of the extremist left to understand that some programs actually do expire, that not every single program ever introduced can be continued forever? I think it's just that so few of you pay taxes you get outraged that government just doesn't keep increasing taxes until the entirety of everyone else's pay cheques go directly to the bureacracy to spend. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 What kind of boots do you think Harper gets from padding his buddies' pockets? There has to be some private payoff beyond party donations. I'd like to get a look at his stock portfolio ... correction ... his wife's stock portfolio. Politicians' 'personal gains' while in office should be open to public scrutiny. . Funny how the fact Jean Chretien spent his whole life in politics and retired a multi-millionaire never bothered you. But now you're making libelous accusations towards Harper while demanding forensic audits, even though there has never been a whiff of corruption around him. You are truly one disturbed person. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
poochy Posted July 28, 2015 Report Posted July 28, 2015 Funny how the fact Jean Chretien spent his whole life in politics and retired a multi-millionaire never bothered you. But now you're making libelous accusations towards Harper while demanding forensic audits, even though there has never been a whiff of corruption around him. You are truly one disturbed person. They are all the same, liars, just liars. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 I think calling an increase a cut has a more accurate descriptor as 'lie'. I think calling a cut from 6% down to as low as 3% an "increase" simply shows poor math skills. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 I think calling a cut from 6% down to as low as 3% an "increase" simply shows poor math skills. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is......insanity. Flogging that dead horse (it really is dead you know - expired, terminated, deceased) will not change anything.....unless your Wonder Boy Justin has other ideas.....care to elaborate on any such policy planks? Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is......insanity. Flogging that dead horse (it really is dead you know - expired, terminated, deceased) will not change anything.....unless your Wonder Boy Justin has other ideas.....care to elaborate on any such policy planks? Then you should take your own advice. Hone up those math skills eh. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Then you should take your own advice. Hone up those math skills eh. Any policy planks from your Dear Leader - Justin Trudeau? Will he be throwing even more money at Healthcare? Can you offer anything but misguided frustration at the failure of your own party? Anything constructive to say> Anything at all? Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Any policy planks from your Dear Leader - Justin Trudeau? Will he be throwing even more money at Healthcare? Can you offer anything but misguided frustration at the failure of your own party? Anything constructive to say> Anything at all? What caused you to jump to the conclusion I am a Liberal, or is it just part of your assumptive repertoire? At any rate I don't think I've heard what either JT or Tom have as policies on health care as yet. We do know Harper's approach though. Quote
jacee Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Funny how the fact Jean Chretien spent his whole life in politics and retired a multi-millionaire never bothered you. But now you're making libelous accusations towards Harper while demanding forensic audits, even though there has never been a whiff of corruption around him. You are truly one disturbed person. Drivel. . Quote
waldo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 The Liberals designed it to expire. They clearly realized, as you clearly do not, that a yearly 6% increase was unsustainable. And Harper actually continued the program for a further five years, then lowered it to a more sustainable 3% increase. no - your revisionism reeks! It was designed to be renegotiated in partnership with the provinces. . The dictator Harper? His health cuts? Are you taking your cues in stupid talking points from Donald Trump? Harper refused to meet with provincial premiers to revise/extend upon the Health Accord... the premiers kept repeatedly calling for it. Harper refused; instead he dictated (aka, the dictator) the terms and amount of funding to the provinces. You know... the provinces... the entities responsible for administering health care to Canadians! . Quote
cybercoma Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 waldo, nobody wants to talk about how Harper refused to meet with the premiers to renegotiate the Health Accord. A good Prime Minister would have met with the provinces to see where they stand and to understand what the healthcare needs are of Canadians. But Harper's not a good Prime Minister. So here we are. Unilateral decisions from Ottawa without negotiation with the provinces. Something people from Alberta should be very familiar with. But I guess it's ok when their horse does it. Quote
Argus Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 no - your revisionism reeks! It was designed to be renegotiated in partnership with the provinces. Cite. . Harper refused to meet with provincial premiers to revise/extend upon the Health Accord.. Ah, I see, so clearly that makes him a dictator much like Hitler or Stalin or Mugabe, eh? Brilliant! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
overthere Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 waldo, nobody wants to talk about how Harper refused to meet with the premiers to renegotiate the Health Accord. A good Prime Minister would have met with the provinces to see where they stand and to understand what the healthcare needs are of Canadians. But Harper's not a good Prime Minister. So here we are. Unilateral decisions from Ottawa without negotiation with the provinces. Something people from Alberta should be very familiar with. But I guess it's ok when their horse does it. And then he would have approved a budget within the means of the country. Shameful conduct. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
waldo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Cite. Ah, I see, so clearly that makes him a dictator much like Hitler or Stalin or Mugabe, eh? Brilliant! it was the Health Accord... negotiated between the federal government and the provincial premiers... in response to the Romanow commission on health reform, that set in place stable funding and a presumed resolve to actually reform Canada's health care system. Whatever varying degrees of interpreted reform actually came forward over the 10 years of the accord, a framework was established/did exist. And Harper threw it all away... apparently, to Stephen Harper, since he refuses to engage provincial premiers, the status of health care in Canada must be peachy/fine! Or... since Harper is dedicated to privatization of health care, he tells the provincial premiers to "get stuffed/go eat cake"! it's you drawing parallels between Harper and despots/tyrants, Hitler/Stalin/Mugabe... not me! I simply alluded to the Harper dictatorial, dictating, absoluteness done in isolation from the provinces! Quote
Argus Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 it was the Health Accord... negotiated between the federal government and the provincial premiers... in response to the Romanow commission on health reform, that set in place stable funding and a presumed resolve to actually reform Canada's health care system. Whatever varying degrees of interpreted reform actually came forward over the 10 years of the accord, a framework was established/did exist. Yes, and Martin said health care was fixed, and set a ten year time limit on it. So? And Harper threw it all away... By extending it another five years? apparently, to Stephen Harper, since he refuses to engage provincial premiers, the status of health care in Canada must be peachy/fine! As anyone with even a slight acquaintance with Canadian politics is well aware, a meeting on any subject between the premiers and the prime minister will be entirely focused on the premiers trying to lay off all the blame on Ottawa, while demanding more money and less strings on it. Small wonder Harper wants no part of that. it's you drawing parallels between Harper and despots/tyrants, Hitler/Stalin/Mugabe... not me! No, in typical Donald Trump bombastic blowhard style you called him a dictator. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Yes, and Martin said health care was fixed, and set a ten year time limit on it. So? [waldo: yours is a stoopid nonsensical statement - one doesn't put in place a body intended to work toward health care reform... if sumthin's declared fixed!] By extending it another five years? [waldo: no - Harper threw it all away... as in threw the Health Accord away! Tell me, since it's your boy who refuses to engage provincial premiers, how would health care be reformed under a Harper Conservative model?] As anyone with even a slight acquaintance with Canadian politics is well aware, a meeting on any subject between the premiers and the prime minister will be entirely focused on the premiers trying to lay off all the blame on Ottawa, while demanding more money and less strings on it. Small wonder Harper wants no part of that. [waldo: i appreciate you admit Harper doesn't have the metal to work with Canada's premiers... on anything! ] No, in typical Donald Trump bombastic blowhard style you called him a dictator. [waldo: no - I qualified how I used the word; again, "I simply alluded to the Harper dictatorial, dictating, absoluteness done in isolation from the provinces!"... it's you continuing to draw the parallel between Harper and despots/tyrants!] Quote
Topaz Posted July 29, 2015 Report Posted July 29, 2015 Harper can't deal with face to face debates with the Premiers, that's why he talks to SOME of the phone. Harper has to have control or he can't function and that's why he's probably going to call for the election to start this weekend. He has big money, the most between the parties and he using every way he can find to keep the control. One control he doesn't have are the voters and many are peeved off at him for their own reasons. I saw a senior citizen on the news that said she has been a Tory supporter but she NOT voting Tory this time because of Canada Post changes. This extra time for campaigning is going to cost us taxpayer double around 700,000.00 plus all the advertising they are doing under the "government of Canada" is costing taxpayers. enough is enough, time for change. Quote
Topaz Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 As far as coalition go, the election could result in NDP with a minority, then the Tories, and Liberals third but if the Liberals have enough seats with the NDP they could give power to the NDP BUT they could also give power to the Tories, so the liberals could be the ones with the power depending on how many seats they get. Quote
PIK Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 The liberals and NDP do not even know what makes a recession, and they want to lead the country. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
jacee Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 The liberals and NDP do not even know what makes a recession, and they want to lead the country. Harper's the one keeping up pretenses (ie, lying) about the economy and his budget. Harper has divided the country, just like he does to his own team: He sets people against each other, rules by fear. The worst kind of leader. . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 30, 2015 Report Posted July 30, 2015 The liberals and NDP do not even know what makes a recession, and they want to lead the country. The TD Bank and the Bank of Canada probably do though eh? Quote
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