Smallc Posted October 2, 2014 Report Share Posted October 2, 2014 As has already been pointed out to you, other countries are sending doctors, as that's what is needed for treatment of people on the ground. Supplies, personnel, and training are what is needed to contain this virus, as was pointed out by both of the articles I posted. Replying with irrelevant information isn't going to change that, so it's good that you're not going to bother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520361/UK-troops-sent-to-help-fight-Ebola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/520361/UK-troops-sent-to-help-fight-Ebola A proper hospital ship, that by it's very nature is isolated from the local populace, sent by a country with an extensive history in both germ warfare and tropical disease, to support trained healthcare workers already in the region.........by happenstance, unlike the Canadian Forces, RFA Argus has recent experience with contending with deadly outbreaks: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 (edited) It was more the shore party I was talking about. from the link: More than 100 Army medics from 22 Field Hospital, normally based in York, are also on standby to be sent to West Africa on humanitarian operations. Edited October 12, 2014 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 But this is one of those times where it would be nice if Canada had a LPH, LPD, or even an AOR to send. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 It was more the shore party I was talking about. from the link: More than 100 Army medics from 22 Field Hospital, normally based in York, are also on standby to be sent to West Africa on humanitarian operations. Medical personal that have been specially trained by both the RAMC and NHS, to provide support to professionals treating infected healthcare professionals in an isolated environment..........unlike the Canadian Forces, the Royal Army Medical Corps employs both biomedical scientists and environmental health specialists...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 You just don't ever admit that you were wrong, do you? The US has engineers building hospitals, The UK is sending field medics, and you make excuses about how we can't do that. The reality is that Canadian medics could work along side the Candian labs Alreafy in theatre to help contain this outbreak. Instead we're not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 You just don't ever admit that you were wrong, do you? The US has engineers building hospitals, The UK is sending field medics, and you make excuses about how we can't do that. The reality is that Canadian medics could work along side the Candian labs Alreafy in theatre to help contain this outbreak. Instead we're not. Unlike the Canadian Forces, but like the United States, the RAMC maintains an active program in the study of both germ warfare and infectious disease: Porton Down The reality is, despite not only mine and Army Guy's input, to say nothing of the actual statement from the Government, it is you that is both wrong and ignorant on this mater...........The Government of Canada is providing support in terms of money, hospital supplies and civilian experts in this field, not the Canadian Forces. Also, the United States and United Kingdom, even with military experts in such studies, are providing forces in an extremely isolated fashion, limiting exposure to the local population, unlike your suggestion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Unlike you I have a very strong background in phobic health and emergency services. That, combined with the evidence provided tells me all I need to know about this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Unlike you I have a very strong background in phobic health and emergency services. That, combined with the evidence provided tells me all I need to know about this subject. If you have a passport, I'm sure MSF/Red Cross will allow you to aid them in combating Ebola in West Africa........off you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 27, 2014 Report Share Posted November 27, 2014 Well this just can't be: http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/canada-deploying-medical-team-to-ebola-stricken-sierra-leone-1.2122239 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 Well this just can't be: http://www.ctvnews.ca/mobile/health/canada-deploying-medical-team-to-ebola-stricken-sierra-leone-1.2122239 Of course, said personal are receiving pre-deployment training from the British and then playing junior partners to the British (Deploying aboard a British Hospital ship and British field Hospital), whom as mentioned numerous times, have experience, training and equipment to operate in such environments, to treat Western healthcare workers in a controlled environment............quite different circumstances then your suggestion to "deploy DART" and "deploy a Canadian Field Hospital"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 It would be nice if some people could admit when they were wrong. I have no problem doing it. You said the Canadian Forces wasn't the agency that should be used, yet here they are, being sent in. In fact, according to the minister the only reason that they weren't before had to do with the inability to evacuate on demand. That's the only reason you aren't seeing a field hospital. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 It would be nice if some people could admit when they were wrong. I have no problem doing it. You said the Canadian Forces wasn't the agency that should be used, yet here they are, being sent in. In fact, according to the minister the only reason that they weren't before had to do with the inability to evacuate on demand. That's the only reason you aren't seeing a field hospital. Quite a difference between your suggestion earlier, versus training and deploying them with another experienced military, aboard a hospital ship, to treat Western healthcare professionals in what accounts as a modern, isolated, first world hospital.......Why do think we had no ability to evacuate infected personal prior, and why now do we? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 They aren't going to a hospital ship and the ability to evacuate has nothing to do with the British military: http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2014/11/27/canadian_forces_medical_team_to_be_deployed_to_ebolaplagued_sierra_leone.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 They aren't going to a hospital ship and the ability to evacuate has nothing to do with the British military: http://m.thestar.com/#/article/news/canada/2014/11/27/canadian_forces_medical_team_to_be_deployed_to_ebolaplagued_sierra_leone.html Are you suggesting they aren't working with the British in Sierra Leone? From your link: The military doctors, nurses, medics and others will work alongside military medics from the United Kingdom at the Kerry Town Treatment Unit. Kerry Town TU was built and staffed by whom? And said British units are supported by whom? To add, the the RAF infectious aeromedical unit is already forward deployed to Ghana to support the joint British-Canadian mission.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallc Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 (edited) You said they were going to a ship. They aren't. Canada could deploy on it's own but won't because of political considerations. I'm done with this discussion. I just had to point out that I was right. Edited November 28, 2014 by Smallc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek 2.0 Posted November 28, 2014 Report Share Posted November 28, 2014 You said they were going to a ship. They aren't. Canada could deploy on it's own but won't because of political considerations. I'm done with this discussion. I just had to point out that I was right. I said: (Deploying aboard a British Hospital ship and British field Hospital) They are deploying with British forces, well deployed, said forces will rotate from forward deployed treatment units to RFA Argus (this is the purpose of Argus, likewise the members of the Royal Marines, SBS, RAF and Fleet Air Arm, to support and provide relief to forces ashore). Canada can't deploy on its own, because we don't have the required training nor specialized equipment to operate safely in such an environment......hence why we're deploying in support of the British and not on our own....... And you were far from right, you suggested Canada should deploy DART/Field Hospital on our own hook, nowhere was it suggested Canadian Forces be deployed in support of an ally, an ally that can safely operate in such environments. Not only will a small cadre of Canadian Forces members receive specialized training prior, but also be granted real world experience well lending (indirect) humanitarian aid......this of course, in a controlled environment, will be a net-gain for the Canadian Forces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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