Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 If i'd have heeded Foreign Affairs travel warnings, I wouldn't have been able to work for the last 25 years or so. They probably suggest not travelling to MO. right now. You need more info to make an informed decision on travel than the gov. gives you. I thought you were providing unneeded services to DND during the 90s.......Were your adventures in the Middle East before or after your shrimp boat captaincy? Are you suggesting mere mortals shouldn’t heed Government issued travel warnings to dangerous places? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 I thought you were providing unneeded services to DND during the 90s.......Were your adventures in the Middle East before or after your shrimp boat captaincy? Are you suggesting mere mortals shouldn’t heed Government issued travel warnings to dangerous places? "Shrimp boat captain", that's funny, where'd ya come up with that? I'm suggesting what I already suggested in mu previous post. The gov. posts travel warnings for frivolous reasons because they like to err waaay on the side caution. And so they should. Most oil companys wouldn't function if they abided by those warnings. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 "Shrimp boat captain", that's funny, where'd ya come up with that? I'm suggesting what I already suggested in mu previous post. The gov. posts travel warnings for frivolous reasons because they like to err waaay on the side caution. And so they should. Most oil companys wouldn't function if they abided by those warnings. Can you demonstrate a previous “frivolous travel warning”? To add, if Canadians don’t heed said warnings, what responsibility does the GOC really hold? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Can you demonstrate a previous “frivolous travel warning”? To add, if Canadians don’t heed said warnings, what responsibility does the GOC really hold? Sure. I worked for over 5 years in a W, African country the FA had on their website as countries Canadians are advised not to travel to. The GOC has no responsibility. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Sure. I worked for over 5 years in a W, African country the FA had on their website as countries Canadians are advised not to travel to. The GOC has no responsibility. The GoC has no responsibility? Who do you feel issues the travel warnings? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 The GoC has no responsibility? Who do you feel issues the travel warnings? Read your question again. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Read your question again. What of it? I'll ask again: The GoC has no responsibility? Who do you feel issues the travel warnings? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 What of it? I'll ask again: I think you know who issues the travel warnings, Remember, you brought it up in the first place? Aser your own question, if you choose to ignore the warnings, the GOC has no responsibility . Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 I think you know who issues the travel warnings, Remember, you brought it up in the first place? Aser your own question, if you choose to ignore the warnings, the GOC has no responsibility . Indeed.........but you suggested the GoC should rescue Canadians with the JTF2......Your position is contradicting to say the least…….. So GoC issues a “frivolous travel warning” (your words), a Canadian chooses not to listen, gets taken hostage……the GoC is absolved of responsibility, but despite them not having the ability to do so, the Canadian Forces should rescue them via the JTF2.... Perhaps time for a reboot? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Indeed.........but you suggested the GoC should rescue Canadians with the JTF2......Your position is contradicting to say the least…….. So GoC issues a “frivolous travel warning” (your words), a Canadian chooses not to listen, gets taken hostage……the GoC is absolved of responsibility, but despite them not having the ability to do so, the Canadian Forces should rescue them via the JTF2.... Perhaps time for a reboot? Obviously you've never read the frivolous warnings. Malaria, possibly a corrupt government, street crime, etc. I'm not talking about hostage taking when I say frivolous warnings. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) Obviously you've never read the frivolous warnings. Malaria, possibly a corrupt government, street crime, etc. I'm not talking about hostage taking when I say frivolous warnings. Then why bring it up in a topic on hostage taking? Edited August 25, 2014 by Derek 2.0 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Then why bring it up in a topic on hostage taking? If you recall, I didn't bring up the hostage takind thing. That was done by the person who started the thread. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 If you recall, I didn't bring up the hostage takind thing. That was done by the person who started the thread. You brought the issue of “Frivolous travel warnings” ……..that you since backtracked to meaning tropical illness and bad Government…..on a subject relating to hostage taking…….. Are you now suggesting Canadians should not be wary of disease and corrupt Governments when traveling? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 You brought the issue of “Frivolous travel warnings” ……..that you since backtracked to meaning tropical illness and bad Government…..on a subject relating to hostage taking…….. Are you now suggesting Canadians should not be wary of disease and corrupt Governments when traveling? Yes of course they should. And I certainly didn't backtrack. I explained. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Yes of course they should. And I certainly didn't backtrack. I explained. So again, what do you mean by "frivolous travel warnings"? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 So again, what do you mean by "frivolous travel warnings"? Already did that. Point is ,again, if everybody abided by all GOC travel warnings at face value many industries, especially the oil industry, would suffered seriously. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Already did that. Point is ,again, if everybody abided by all GOC travel warnings at face value many industries, especially the oil industry, would suffered seriously. So Canadians now shouldn't put faith in travel warnings for fear of damaging the oil industry? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 So Canadians now shouldn't put faith in travel warnings for fear of damaging the oil industry? That's right. Nothing new, been done for years. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 That's right. Nothing new, been done for years. So the Government shouldn’t have a responsibility to these oil workers, since they pay no heed to travel warnings, but without them, the oil industry would be put at risk? Is that what you’re saying? So should non-oil-workers, like students, tourists, missionaries etc listen to travel warnings? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 So the Government shouldn’t have a responsibility to these oil workers, since they pay no heed to travel warnings, but without them, the oil industry would be put at risk? Is that what you’re saying? So should non-oil-workers, like students, tourists, missionaries etc listen to travel warnings? People who want or need to travel need better info than they get from GoC. It depends a lot on for what purpose you are travelling and what infrastructure you have to rely on. GoC will cover there ass by saying " it is suggested Canadians do not travel to this country at the current time" Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 People who want or need to travel need better info than they get from GoC. It depends a lot on for what purpose you are travelling and what infrastructure you have to rely on. GoC will cover there ass by saying " it is suggested Canadians do not travel to this country at the current time" So when the GoC issues a travel warning, it's neglect in not providing further info? Can you cite an example of when that was the case, and in turn, after posting a travel warning, due to a lack of info, Canadians ignored it, and were taken hostage? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 So when the GoC issues a travel warning, it's neglect in not providing further info? Can you cite an example of when that was the case, and in turn, after posting a travel warning, due to a lack of info, Canadians ignored it, and were taken hostage? Pretty hard to discern an actual question/statement/otherwise out of that. anyway I'll say this, In one particular case I ignored the goC travel warning for 5.5 years and never got taken hostage, not anywhere near close to it. Nor did a few hundred other Exxon Mobil employees/contractors. Quote
Derek 2.0 Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 Pretty hard to discern an actual question/statement/otherwise out of that. You stated the GoC didn't provide enough info when it issues a travel warning....... anyway I'll say this, In one particular case I ignored the goC travel warning for 5.5 years and never got taken hostage, not anywhere near close to it. Nor did a few hundred other Exxon Mobil employees/contractors. So in your mind, was the travel warning frivolous since no one was taken hostage? What year was this frivolous warning and to what country? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 You stated the GoC didn't provide enough info when it issues a travel warning....... So in your mind, was the travel warning frivolous since no one was taken hostage? What year was this frivolous warning and to what country? No, that's in your mind. I have stated that hostage taking is not frivolous in my mind. "Don't go there because you might get malaria" is. Quote
eyeball Posted August 25, 2014 Report Posted August 25, 2014 You brought the issue of “Frivolous travel warnings” ……..that you since backtracked to meaning tropical illness and bad Government…..on a subject relating to hostage taking…….. Are you now suggesting Canadians should not be wary of disease and corrupt Governments when traveling? What Canadians should be especially wary of are the countries/peoples that our and our allies governments have severely pissed off, but don't expect any warnings for that. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
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