Trouble In The Laytonless NDP

[Smallc]

but again, the bigger picture appears lost here... the thing cybercoma calls a "strawman". If she didn't miss any/much time,

However, NDP sources said Ms. Hassainia has never before voiced concern over Mr. Mulcair’s position on Israel and accused her of simply looking for an excuse to cover the fact that she rarely shows up for work.

So far this year, Ms. Hassainia has the worst voting record of all MPs, showing up for only 8.7 per cent of votes in the House of Commons.

Since winning election in 2011 as part of the so-called “orange wave” that swept Quebec, the 39-year-old has given birth to two children.

A source close to Mr. Mulcair said the party bent over backwards trying to accommodate Ms. Hassainia’s need to be with her young children, even letting her use the leader’s office to breastfeed. But still the party’s whip, Nycole Turmel, was frustrated in her efforts to get Ms. Hassainia to show up for votes and perform other parliamentary duties.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ndp-mp-quits-party-over-mulcairs-stance-on-israel/article20136700/

I'll put this bluntly - do you have any idea what you're talking about?

[Bob Macadoo]

So far this year, Ms. Hassainia has the worst voting record of all MPs, showing up for only 8.7 per cent of votes in the House of Commons.

Since winning election in 2011 as part of the so-called “orange wave” that swept Quebec, the 39-year-old has given birth to two children

Waldo's commentary is stating these may be mutually exclusive statements. Does voting record alone determine an opposition MP's worth? Doesn't Trudeau have a bad one.

I don't trust Mulcair's lawyerly smear the person with innuendo workings. The more he orates and professes like a lawyer I get turned off....same channel different colour.

Does she have constituency complaints, is she absent for committee business......her vote in the HoC is way down on my list.....thats just political porn for LCDs.

[Smallc]

Waldo's commentary is stating these may be mutually exclusive statements. Does voting record alone determine an opposition MP's worth? Doesn't Trudeau have a bad one.

Voting is one of her main functions as an MP....and Trudeau, like Harper, is in a bit of a special position, as is Mulcair.

[Bob Macadoo]

Voting is one of her main functions as an MP....and Trudeau, like Harper, is in a bit of a special position, as is Mulcair.

I thought review/critique/suggest legislation is a better function. I thought constituent advocacy would be a main function. Voting under a party system is hardly a main function of a representative......more a drone's main function.

What as opposition leader or third party leader gives those jackanapes a hall pass from voting? Baby kissing and podium pontification is more important than almighty voting?

Edited August 27, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[waldo]

I'll put this bluntly - do you have any idea what you're talking about?

your pissant bluntness aside, I do believe MLW member, 'Bob Macadoo', probably says it better than I... and... 'NDP smear' does seem to be the operative process underway here... at least according to MP Sana Hassainia as she speaks about the NDP calling out her voting record. I believe the more prudent testament to her actual presence would be how many days she was actually docked pay for non-attendance. I'm not aware of the NDP Party bringing that number forward... but I trust given lil'c bluntness, he must have that number - surely!

this attendance facet was spoken to in an earlier post in reply to MLW member, 'cybercoma's', false claim concerning her maternity leave absence. As I highlighted, MPs aren't eligible for paternal leave... that after 21 days absence, unless they're ill, serving in the military or on official public business, their salary will begin to be deducted. MP Hassainia claims to have been in her office for many of those absentee votes, choosing not to bring her baby to chamber, choosing not to vote given the 'impact' of her single (within minority) vote as balanced against the Conservative majority numbers.

it appears, again according to MP Hassainia, she lost her prior committee responsibilities by choosing not to support Mulcair in the leadership process; backing Topp instead... apparently, before choosing to leave the NDP caucus as an independent, she was a backbencher with no committee attachments.

Edited August 27, 2014 by waldo

[cybercoma]

Does voting record alone determine an opposition MP's worth?

MPs are elected to represent their constituents in the House of Commons. It is their job, if nothing else, to vote as a representative of the people in their constituencies. When she has voted on less than 10% of the votes, she's a terrible MP. She's not doing the 1 thing that is absolutely necessary of her. I'm willing to bet she got a dressing down from the party for not doing her job and that's why she's now throwing a tantrum and left the party. Tough shit. Do your job that you were elected to do, instead of acting like an entitled crybaby.

[cybercoma]

blah blah blah

Reconcile the fact that she was absent for more than 90% of the votes. Go ahead.

Edited August 27, 2014 by cybercoma

[waldo]

blah blah blah

right back atya!

[cybercoma]

Well, anything, waldo? You keep responding with your patented insulting arrogance, but clearly refuse to reconcile your huffing and puffing with the fact that she has missed over 90% of the votes. If nothing else, that is one thing an MP is required to do. I understand that things come up and they can't be there for 100% of the votes, but to miss over 90% when you're a nobody is absolutely pathetic.

[waldo]

arrogance? You mean replying exactly like you did... is arrogance? Look, I get it... you're embarassed that you didn't know what you were talking about concerning MP paternal leave! But really - get over it!

[waldo]

Tough shit. Do your job that you were elected to do, instead of acting like an entitled crybaby.

she claims an NDP smear campaign is underway. She highlights the most recent 8 months voting period being put forward by the NDP party is not representative of her overall voting/attendance record. She asks why her attendance from the 2011 elections to the point of her second child's birth (June, 2013), isn't being put forward. Again, this is what the MP is claiming... not the waldo!

Edited August 27, 2014 by waldo

[cybercoma]

arrogance? You mean replying exactly like you did... is arrogance? Look, I get it... you're embarassed that you didn't know what you were talking about concerning MP paternal leave! But really - get over it!

Still nothing about missing over 90% of the votes? Are you vying to take away the master deflector title?

[waldo]

Still nothing about missing over 90% of the votes? Are you vying to take away the master deflector title?

oh the irony! I note your most recent post in another concurrently running thread... the one where you call out another MLW member for his "rush to judgement!"

[cybercoma]

oh the irony! I note your most recent post in another concurrently running thread... the one where you call out another MLW member for his "rush to judgement!"

No? Nothing about missing over 90% of the votes yet? Are you ever going to reconcile that point? Or can I just stop replying to your nonsense now?

[waldo]

No? Nothing about missing over 90% of the votes yet? Are you ever going to reconcile that point? Or can I just stop replying to your nonsense now?

I don't jump to your barking! I've spoken to some of the 'reconciliation' MP Hassainia has put forward herself... I note you haven't touched any of that. As I said/implied earlier, MLW member, 'Bob Macadoo' covered it quite succintly. You simply choose to narrowly apply a voting record as the single measure of an MP's value/contribution/worth/attendance...

[Bob Macadoo]

I don't jump to your barking! I've spoken to some of the 'reconciliation' MP Hassainia has put forward herself... I note you haven't touched any of that. As I said/implied earlier, MLW member, 'Bob Macadoo' covered it quite succintly. You simply choose to narrowly apply a voting record as the single measure of an MP's value/contribution/worth/attendance...

Quite correct. I explained clearly her functionality.....and where HoC voting sits, Cyber has not. I don't know how good she is, her constituents do, but I do know that the media machine of Mulcair is in full innuendo smear.......come right out and detail her "awfulness", Mulcair put his rep on the line or shut the hell up. Like I said, everyday he reveals himself to be a politician only.....

[cybercoma]

She showed up for less than 10% of the votes. Neither of you have admitted how irresponsible that is. Neither of you will even recognize that this makes her a horrible MP. Until you both can suck it up and do that, nothing you say on this issue has any merit whatsoever.

[Bob Macadoo]

She showed up for less than 10% of the votes. Neither of you have admitted how irresponsible that is. Neither of you will even recognize that this makes her a horrible MP. Until you both can suck it up and do that, nothing you say on this issue has any merit whatsoever.

Wow are you channeling Argus? Get off the Red Bull.

Voting was explicitly addressed, just b/c it doesn't follow your worldview......que sera sera. Your opinion evaluation stamp of approval wasn't really required. Ta Ta.

[waldo]

ya cyber... what he said!

[cybercoma]

So you're perfectly fine with having a representative in government who doesn't bother to actually vote for her constituents? That's a pretty extreme position that I'm willing to bet almost no one holds.

[Bob Macadoo]

So you're perfectly fine with having a representative in government who doesn't bother to actually vote for her constituents? That's a pretty extreme position that I'm willing to bet almost no one holds.

Did you really just say "actually vote for her constituents"? That was amusing.....I think you meant "in lieu of her constituents". Its a vast semantical difference.

I didn't say it wasn't important, it just doesn't provide the main argument for "horrible" or whatever hyperbolic adjective you used.

Edited August 27, 2014 by Bob Macadoo

[PIK]

Did you really just say "actually vote for her constituents"? That was amusing.....I think you meant "in lieu of her constituents". Its a vast semantical difference.

Keep dancing.

[Bob Macadoo]

Keep dancing.

I don't dance...2 left feet....I'm clear......you on the other hand are a ______-baiter at every turn. Good day.

[eyeball]

So you're perfectly fine with having a representative in government who doesn't bother to actually vote for her constituents? That's a pretty extreme position that I'm willing to bet almost no one holds.

I'm willing to bet the vast majority could care less.

[cybercoma]

Did you really just say "actually vote for her constituents"? That was amusing.....I think you meant "in lieu of her constituents". Its a vast semantical difference.

I didn't say it wasn't important, it just doesn't provide the main argument for "horrible" or whatever hyperbolic adjective you used.

It's not in lieu of her constituents. You elect a representative who decides how to vote in the House. We've never had a direct democracy.

Regardless, being there for less than 10% of the votes is totally cool with you? You don't seem to be criticizing her on that point and it's an incredibly important one.