Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 You know what people want? Young Black men to stop raping, murdering and robbing people. Like that 12 year old with the toy gun? Who was he raping and murdering again? Mike Brown? He was raping and murdering was he? Trayvon Martin? Must have stolen that pack of Skittles, so being shot to death in the middle of the street is justice. Give your head a shake. And besides, when's the last time you were concerned about white criminals? Luka Magnotta mutilating his victim and mailing his body parts around the country? *shrugs* Mike Brown steals a pack of cigarettes and you have the most aggressive language you can muster against him. You may not think of yourself as a bigot, but your arguments certainly are. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 One might think that accusing others of racism for simply having an opinion different from their own would be unacceptable.Yes. This is all about difference of opinion. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 And the above could be used by a majority group to justify the oppression of any number of groups.The ideas of the posters here is "who gives a shit as long as I'm in the majority?" Quote
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Posted January 27, 2015 My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing. No one is violent and one is peaceful. You've gone on at some length about the sanctity of the law, and how dangerous it is to break the law simply because you disagree with something. But you also endorse "peaceful protest" as a legitimate tactic which can also entail breaking the law and causing social disruption. So, which is it? Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 What are you even talking about?He's talking about how hard white middle class men have it. All of that reverse racism makes it nearly impossible for them to succeed in our society. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 My point is that violent protest and peaceful protest are not the same thing.Really? Because I'm sure Black Dog thought VIOLENT and PEACEFUL meant the exact same thing. I'm sure Black Dog is grateful for this new knowledge. Quote
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 Like that 12 year old with the toy gun? Who was he raping and murdering again? No one has really justified that to any extent Mike Brown? He was raping and murdering was he? A preponderance of the evidence shows that he was attempting to. Trayvon Martin? Must have stolen that pack of Skittles, so being shot to death in the middle of the street is justice. I'm sorry, was he murdered by a cop? And besides, when's the last time you were concerned about white criminals? Luka Magnotta mutilating his victim and mailing his body parts around the country? *shrugs* Mike Brown steals a pack of cigarettes and you have the most aggressive language you can muster against him. And where were you to defend Magnotta? The only discussion that I've seen here came as a response to the defence of criminal acts. You may not think of yourself as a bigot, but your arguments certainly are. In your expert opinion, right? Far be it for us to determine our own bigotry. Yes. This is all about difference of opinion. That's exactly what it is. More than that, it's a different world view. Your's just happens to be wrong. The ideas of the posters here is "who gives a shit as long as I'm in the majority?" Ah, so you're back to telling us what we think again. No one is violent and one is peaceful. You've gone on at some length about the sanctity of the law, and how dangerous it is to break the law simply because you disagree with something. But you also endorse "peaceful protest" as a legitimate tactic which can also entail breaking the law and causing social disruption. So, which is it? You're unable to see the difference between illegal marrying someone and burning down a small business? He's talking about how hard white middle class men have it. All of that reverse racism makes it nearly impossible for them to succeed in our society. And here's another example. Really? Because I'm sure Black Dog thought VIOLENT and PEACEFUL meant the exact same thing. I'm sure Black Dog is grateful for this new knowledge. You really do need a break. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 I'm not telling you what to think. If you all want to be racist assholes, that's your prerogative. Stop acting surprised when people are disgusted by your abhorrent views. Go crying to the moderators. Maybe they'll ban me so you don't have to have your noses rubbed in the shit you call an opinion. Quote
Charles Anthony Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 Guys, Stop the inflammatory rhetoric. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) I'm not telling you what to think. What you're doing is attempting to put words in our mouths...words that don't fit my opinion anyway. If you all want to be racist assholes, that's your prerogative. Stop acting surprised when people are disgusted by your abhorrent views. We disagree with your world view. It doesn't make us racist assholes. It is simply about differences of opinion. Edited January 27, 2015 by Smallc Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 One view of the cctv video of the shooting of the 12 year old with the toy gun should save anyone at least a thousand words. Quote
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 One view of the cctv video of the shooting of the 12 year old with the toy gun should save anyone at least a thousand words. I've yet to hear anyone defend that in any meaningful way. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 I've yet to hear anyone defend that in any meaningful way. Defend what? Have you actually seen the video? Quote
guyser Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 Defend what? Have you actually seen the video?OG , methinks he agrees w you Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 OG , methinks he agrees w you Oh perhaps I misunderstood the comment. If so I apologize. Quote
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 I do agree with you. The only defence is that the cop got caught up in the moment. He should have known better and better considrred wha he did. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 I do agree with you. The only defence is that the cop got caught up in the moment. He should have known better and better considrred wha he did. I would venture a guess that this may go to training. But racism certainly can't be ignored. Perhaps they go hand in hand. Quote
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 I would venture a guess that this may go to training. But racism certainly can't be ignored. Perhaps they go hand in hand. Racism seems to be far less of a factor than an under-trained jumpy cop in this case. Quote
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Posted January 27, 2015 You're unable to see the difference between illegal marrying someone and burning down a small business? So you feel that as long as you don't do any property damage, it's okay to break the law in the name of "the right thing." That's a pretty dangerous way to run a society. Quote
Smallc Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 So you feel that as long as you don't do any property damage, it's okay to break the law in the name of "the right thing." That's a pretty dangerous way to run a society. Generally, it is. In fact, putting forward a court challenge without breaking the law would have been far better. That said, I think you would agree that there are degrees of severity. Quote
Argus Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) What about them? They're an oppressed minority. In a prop rep system they might well hold the balance of power and get their views taken more seriously. Otherwise, well, since they're not being listened to I guess they should just resort to violence. Edited January 27, 2015 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Posted January 27, 2015 They're an oppressed minority. In a prop rep system they might well hold the balance of power and get their views taken more seriously. Otherwise, well, since they're not being listened to I guess they should just resort to violence. So it is your belief that violent protest is never valid? Quote
Argus Posted January 27, 2015 Report Posted January 27, 2015 So it is your belief that violent protest is never valid? I'm not a one-size-fits-all kind of guy. I would say, however, that violent protest in terms of race relations is not warranted or justified. Nor would it be productive. Hell, Black America already has a big reputation for violence and crime. It's one of the major millstones around its neck which inspire racism and prejudice. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Black Dog Posted January 27, 2015 Author Report Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) I'm not a one-size-fits-all kind of guy. I would say, however, that violent protest in terms of race relations is not warranted or justified. Well, I should point out here that this whole line of conversation was initially about non-violent, but disruptive, protests. As for whether or not violent protests are justified (that's usually something that depends on the judgement of history: the smallc's of the 60s were no doubt outraged by the lawlessness and property damage of the Stonewall riots), that's less interesting than the fact that race and violence continue to be so closely intertwined in the U.S. Hell, Black America already has a big reputation for violence and crime. It's one of the major millstones around its neck which inspire racism and prejudice. Maybe, but again, the racist assumption that blacks are predisposed to criminality goes back long before such a reputation could consider to be justified. Edited January 28, 2015 by Black Dog Quote
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