Thundercheif Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 The questions concerning flight 17 have largely been answered. Ethnic Russian separatists shot the aircraft out of the sky. They've been utilizing the BUK AA System for some time now, and however tragic, it's obvious that flight 17 wasn't the intended target. Unfortunately, this has happened many times before. The United States themselves have been guilty of this type of accident in the past, although you don't hear it mentioned on CNN. In my opinion, culpability falls largely on the airline. It planned a route that was known to be risky. Saving fuel is a pitiful excuse and they know it. The vast majority of reputable air carriers were purposely avoiding the area.....and for good reason. It's a shame that the Western world is politicizing this event to the extent that they are. It was an accident. The airliner wasn't an intended target and it was flying through a war-zone that had 3 other aircraft knocked out of the sky in the past 6 days. I would put the majority of the blame on the airline for flying the route. What a terrible tragedy. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 A tragedy no doubt. But as to the blame game, don't you think you should know what the hell you are shooting at BEFORE you pull the trigger? I suspect these goons were either too inept or too soused or both to have had intent, but maybe a little responsibility might have been helpful. Quote
Wilber Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 Some of you guys should look at a globe. Going farther south, you will be still stuck with over flying such places as Syria, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, and Pakistan. There is no way of avoiding all or several of them. There is no such thing as risk free airspace in that part of the world. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WestCoastRunner Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 At the time of this flight, facts were not released as to the number of military planes that were shot down. I believe the number was in the 20's prior to the MH17 flight and the information given out was only a few. Not only that, information wasn't released that a military plane was shot down at 21,000 feet. Had this information been released, I bet that all airlines would have not sent any flights into that area. That information would have raised concerns, no doubt! Quote I love to see a young girl go out and grab the world by the lapels. Life's a bitch. You've got to go out and kick ass. - Maya Angelou
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 Reports are that in the previous 7 days there were something like 831 flights that flew the same route that finally did in MH 17. They were apparently flying above the altitude restriction that was in place, and I can imagine if any airline didn't want to lose another triple 7 it was Malaysian. Quote
Thundercheif Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Posted July 22, 2014 Just because it's not on CNN, doesn't mean that info isn't shared through back channels. All global hotspots and relative information is provided to Airline Companies so they can co-ordinate their flights to avoid potential threats. Its always been that way. I fly domestic routes, but still receive every warning notation concerning NO FLY Zones globally. If I were flying a troubled zone, my airline would provide me with specific GPS co-ordinates that are not to be interpreted........they must be followed. At any rate, I think that people are losing the point of my initial post. It was an accident...........and politicizing the tragedy doesn't serve anyone well. It puts everyone on the defensive, so ultimately the professionals that need to be on the ground to secure the area and take care of the deceased in a dignified way, are having trouble doing their job. Knee-Jerk politics is hurting not helping the effort. Lets face it; job#1 is to get the deceased re-united with their loved ones. That's it. What happened is pretty obvious and little (if anything) will come out of a full scale investigation......that isn't know already. Quote
Thundercheif Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Posted July 22, 2014 (edited) The BUK system is certified for 80,000+ feet at over mach. 3 - There is no safe zone for any aircraft without extremely specialized electronic countermeasures. It's worth noting that when the U.S. Navy shot down an Airbus in 88' it killed 290 souls including 66 children. Edited July 22, 2014 by Thundercheif Quote
waldo Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 Puti bashers - take note: two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 Quote
Thundercheif Posted July 22, 2014 Author Report Posted July 22, 2014 The radar actually indicates that very few aircraft (almost none) have been traveling through that area. Quote
Argus Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 At any rate, I think that people are losing the point of my initial post. It was an accident...........and politicizing the tragedy doesn't serve anyone well. So if I accidentally kill your whole family I can just say "Ooops" and shrug and walk away? No punishment needed, no compensation, not even an admission I did anything wrong? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 The BUK system is certified for 80,000+ feet at over mach. 3 - There is no safe zone for any aircraft without extremely specialized electronic countermeasures. It's worth noting that when the U.S. Navy shot down an Airbus in 88' it killed 290 souls including 66 children. Yes, and they launched an investigation, admitted responsibility and paid compensation. Fat chance you'll ever see a creature like Putin admitting a mistake, though. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 Puti bashers - take note: two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 would this "Authoritative source" happen to be Vladimir Putin's second cousin Igor? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 would this "Authoritative source" happen to be Vladimir Putin's second cousin Igor? feel free to (attempt to) disqualify the claimed "authoratative source" Quote
Black Dog Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 feel free to (attempt to) disqualify the claimed "authoratative source" How would some Iranian random know the inner workings of Ukrainian air combat operations that day? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 Puti bashers - take note: two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 I'm not sure how this information would change anyone's opinion on this situation. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Wilber Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 I'm not sure how this information would change anyone's opinion on this situation. Well the question could be asked whether they were escorting a civil or military aircraft. This is an interesting twist that could confuse the situation if nothing else and we will have to see whether there is any substance to it. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 I'm not sure how this information would change anyone's opinion on this situation. It's just fodder for the conspiracy nuts. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Wilber Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 It's just fodder for the conspiracy nuts. Unless they were there. However, they will have to do a lot better than supposedly reliable unnamed sources. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted July 22, 2014 Report Posted July 22, 2014 I'm not sure how this information would change anyone's opinion on this situation. I don't think it changes much. It's bottom line seems to reiterate what is already suspected, namely that the guy(s) operating the BUK didn't have the training to understand the xponder codes. They have a whole lot different picture than what a civilian ATC guy sees on his radar screen where the actual ID of the flight is displayed. Quote
ASIP Posted July 23, 2014 Report Posted July 23, 2014 They've been utilizing the BUK AA System for some time now... Not true. The rebels hadn't had and don't have the Buk AA system. That one was brought to the area at 1 am on July 17. The aircraft was shot down at 4 p.m. In the night the vehicle was moved back in Russia. Puti bashers - take note: two Su-27 Flankers escorted the Malaysian Boeing 777 This is a flat lie. Quote
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