drummindiver Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 I wouldn't be surprised if some nut job tries to take this guy out or beat him at some point. He's hated as much as Bernardo in this country. Maybe more so. It wouldn't surprise me. Thats for sure. Hated? Man, have you been reading this forum? Lefties LOVE this terrorist. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Hated? Man, have you been reading this forum? Lefties LOVE this terrorist. Even if the allegations are true, killing soldiers in a war zone is not terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. Quote
PIK Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 So he owes the widow 132 million. If he gets any settlement out of us ,all of it should go to the widow and her children. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 So he owes the widow 132 million. If he gets any settlement out of us ,all of it should go to the widow and her children. Its doubtful if the case from Utah will be upheld by Canadian courts. Quote
drummindiver Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Even if the allegations are true, killing soldiers in a war zone is not terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. Making bombs and bomb detonating devices certainly qualifies as terrorism. Let's not forget he is on camera doing just that. Al Queda et al don't just target American soldiers. Terrorist? Check. Quote
cybercoma Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Making bombs and bomb detonating devices certainly qualifies as terrorism.So the arms manufacturers in the US are terrorists? Making bombs and detonating devices is not terrorism. If you insist that it is, I'm going to need you to show me any definition of terrorism from an official source that says making bombs is terrorism. Let's not forget he is on camera doing just that.I did say assuming it were true. Al Queda et al don't just target American soldiers.But we're talking about a specific incident with Omar Khadr here, not all of al Qaeda. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Making bombs and bomb detonating devices certainly qualifies as terrorism. Let's not forget he is on camera doing just that. Al Queda et al don't just target American soldiers. Terrorist? Check. The compound was under attack by US soldiers, that makes it a war zone. Check. Even if Khadr threw a grenade, and there is o proof he did, it doesn't make him a terrorist. Quote
WIP Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 The compound was under attack by US soldiers, that makes it a war zone. Check. Even if Khadr threw a grenade, and there is o proof he did, it doesn't make him a terrorist. Doesn't look like I've missed much here! Omar Khadr is Benghazi for our conservatives...the dead horse they'll keep beating for the next 50 years. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
drummindiver Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 So the arms manufacturers in the US are terrorists? Making bombs and detonating devices is not terrorism. If you insist that it is, I'm going to need you to show me any definition of terrorism from an official source that says making bombs is terrorism. I did say assuming it were true. But we're talking about a specific incident with Omar Khadr here, not all of al Qaeda. Ok, what would you qualify as terrorism if you don't think an illegal combatant kills an ally, after making videos showing how he intends to murder by bombing? The only reason this is getting beaten to death is the Liberal love fest for this guy. Anathema to me I don't understand anyone of any stripe defending a murderer. Quote
Canada_First Posted July 3, 2015 Report Posted July 3, 2015 Hated? Man, have you been reading this forum? Lefties LOVE this terrorist. Just as many people hate him. The hatred they have for him is very strong. Quote
jbg Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 Even if the allegations are true, killing soldiers in a war zone is not terrorism by any stretch of the imagination. It's either terrorism or treason. Does it much matter which? Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WIP Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 It's either terrorism or treason. Does it much matter which? He was a 15 year old forced to fight in a war zone by his father....does that matter? According to international law he would be designated a child soldier, and U.S. jargon about "illegal combatants" would also not apply. But then again, neither Canada nor the U.S. seems to recognize international law these days. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
jbg Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 He was a 15 year old forced to fight in a war zone by his father....does that matter? According to international law he would be designated a child soldier, and U.S. jargon about "illegal combatants" would also not apply. But then again, neither Canada nor the U.S. seems to recognize international law these days. Nor did the Taliban when it allowed Al Quaeda to stage the 9/11 attacks from its territory. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 A unanimous decision has again gone against the Harper government and ruled that Omar Khadr should be sentenced as a youth and go to an Ontario jail. http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/omar-khadr-wins-appeal-ordered-transferred-to-provincial-jail-1.2699971 Omar Khadr should be serving his time in a provincial facility and must be transferred from federal prison, the Alberta Court of Appeal ruled Tuesday. The Harper government rep has promised to appeal the decision. When is this government going to allow this fiasco to end ASAP and get this divisive issue off the table? How much did the court case cost the taxpayer? Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 (edited) 10 year olds don't get to exercise "free will". . I could support lowering the legal age of maturity (and consequently voting age) to fifteen. To want to punish a ten year old as an adult, what are we thinking... or was he fidteen. But then there may be mitigating circumstances if he was a dependent. Edited July 4, 2015 by Second-class Canadian Quote
Second-class Canadian Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 He was 15 years and 10 months old. And actually, according to the UN convention on the rights of the child, this is old enough to be recruited into armed conflict and not be considered a child soldier. Obviously, I don't care what the UN thinks, but you guys do. Why is not a single leader advocating withdrawal from the UN? Quote
jbg Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 Why is not a single leader advocating withdrawal from the UN? I couldn't tell you, but I certainly think both our countries should withdraw. See link to thread I started on this subject. Excerpt below: Even worse, the aid does not reach the people. Do you really imagine that those pitiful people waving their arms in UNICEF posters really get a penny? No, the money is in their dictators' Swiss bank accounts. The Western nations get the distinction of being pilloried for a pair of underwear winding up on an Iraqi prisoner's head, while, unabated by the UN, slaughters continue in Rwanda, Sudan, Burundi, et. al. The UN does nothing about Robert Mugabe's destruction of Zimbabwe, once a comfortable, middle class land. The UN grinds out a diet of one-sided resolutions against Israel, while ignoring the constant atrocities in Arab lands. Where was the UN on the recent attempt to murder Benizer Bhutto (she escaped unharmed and 149 other innocents were blown up). The UN is wasting money that ought to benefit the unfortunate. It is worse than the most reactionary conservative dreams that George Wallace or Ross Barnett could dream up. The UN must go!!!! Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted July 4, 2015 Report Posted July 4, 2015 It's either terrorism or treason. Does it much matter which? As has been already pointed out then, there should be a whack of US soldiers up on charges. Quote
WIP Posted July 5, 2015 Report Posted July 5, 2015 Nor did the Taliban when it allowed Al Quaeda to stage the 9/11 attacks from its territory. All beside the point. Looking at the aftermath, I think the worst offender in the whole story was Jean Chretien! Because he was the Prime Minister at the time (not Stephen Harper) and was briefed that the U.S. had a minor in custody, accused of throwing a grenade during the roundup and interrogation of suspected Taleban members after a battle with Northern Alliance forces. It was his responsibility to ensure that the US followed proper international protocols if they were going to charge a minor who was a Canadian citizen of murder, and that would obviously include any confessions given as a result of use of torture would be invalid. The delays in going to trial, and the resulting kangaroo court trial in Guantanamo could have all been protested by the Canadian Government...which was aware of what was going on, but they remained silent, and Chretien no doubt calculated the eventual fate of Omar Khadr would be one more problem he could furlough on to a future Prime Minister....sort of similar to how he signed the Kyoto Protocols without any semblance of a plan to develop policies to carry it out! No doubt the Khadr family was a PR problem....jihad warrior father who takes his sons off to wage holy war with him in Afghanistan, and supportive family members like his mother, left behind in Canada. But if he had the courage of principle, rather than Machiavellian political calculation he would have acted on those principles early on.....then again, without the cut n thrust, he never would have been Prime Minister in the first place! So, all we can be thankful for is that this one example of failure of law and moral principles is over I guess. Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted July 5, 2015 Report Posted July 5, 2015 Why is not a single leader advocating withdrawal from the UN? Better to withdraw from the World Bank, IMF, and the WTO - the real world government! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Second-class Canadian Posted July 5, 2015 Report Posted July 5, 2015 Better to withdraw from the World Bank, IMF, and the WTO - the real world government! The Green Party platform proposes a bicameral UN, adding a democratically elected parliament to it and eliminating vetos. Even if we ended up with a majority Green government, it couldn't implement it but could at least talk about it. Quote
jbg Posted July 5, 2015 Report Posted July 5, 2015 All beside the point. Looking at the aftermath, I think the worst offender in the whole story was Jean Chretien! Because he was the Prime Minister at the time (not Stephen Harper) and was briefed that the U.S. had a minor in custody, accused of throwing a grenade during the roundup and interrogation of suspected Taleban members after a battle with Northern Alliance forces. It was his responsibility to ensure that the US followed proper international protocols if they were going to charge a minor who was a Canadian citizen of murder, and that would obviously include any confessions given as a result of use of torture would be invalid. The delays in going to trial, and the resulting kangaroo court trial in Guantanamo could have all been protested by the Canadian Government...which was aware of what was going on, but they remained silent, and Chretien no doubt calculated the eventual fate of Omar Khadr would be one more problem he could furlough on to a future Prime Minister....sort of similar to how he signed the Kyoto Protocols without any semblance of a plan to develop policies to carry it out! No doubt the Khadr family was a PR problem....jihad warrior father who takes his sons off to wage holy war with him in Afghanistan, and supportive family members like his mother, left behind in Canada. But if he had the courage of principle, rather than Machiavellian political calculation he would have acted on those principles early on.....then again, without the cut n thrust, he never would have been Prime Minister in the first place! So, all we can be thankful for is that this one example of failure of law and moral principles is over I guess. I think there are more serious problems in the world than the fate of a family that hates Canada and the West, and acted on that hatred. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
WIP Posted July 6, 2015 Report Posted July 6, 2015 The Green Party platform proposes a bicameral UN, adding a democratically elected parliament to it and eliminating vetos. Even if we ended up with a majority Green government, it couldn't implement it but could at least talk about it. The biggest problem with coming to terms with environmental issues as far back as 40 years ago, has been the realization that the environment is a global commons...we all live within the same biosphere regardless of distance or national borders! So, the groups who started advocating stronger international environmental regulations immediately got the attention of everyone who seen international controls as a threat to their economic and political goals. So, Planet Earth has already started a major extinction cycle that threatens to take out our species as well, and the epitaph for anyone left to read it would be something like: too little was done, too late! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
WIP Posted July 6, 2015 Report Posted July 6, 2015 I think there are more serious problems in the world than the fate of a family that hates Canada and the West, and acted on that hatred. And there are more serious problems than Israel's issues, the non-stop US presidential campaign idiocy, the fate of Greece etc., yet they still deserve attention. In the Omar Khadr case, it looks clear that present and past Canadian governments have been seeking some level of revenge on Omar for the things his mother and sisters have said. What kind of system of justice is that? One that may already be as dodgy and unreliable as US Justice! Quote Anybody who believers exponential growth can go on forever in a finite world is either a madman or an economist. -- Kenneth Boulding, 1973
Canada_First Posted July 6, 2015 Report Posted July 6, 2015 I cannot understand how people are siding with this guy who built bombs to be used against our side. So you support the killing of our people and side with the Ralibsn. Strange. So in Canada you're fir gay and women's rights while at the same time support people who kill gays and where women have almost zero rights. I don't understand. Quote
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