Indigenous Rights and Title in Canada

[Accountability Now]

What the heck ...

Three founding peoples

Three legal traditions

Three alphabets.

What's the problem?

Besides a bunch of blockhead bureaucrats.

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What three languages do you want? There is English and French which leaves room for one of the 50 aboriginal languages spoken in Canada.

[Topaz]

IF more Canadians watched the senate committee hearings on this topic, then they would learn like I have the FN have been promised many times over and over again for help and there's always a reason why they don't get it. Canada accepted the support of the FN, when we became Canadians instead of British subjects and if we had a PMO back then to really treat these people like the rest of us, we wouldn't have the problems we have today or the increasing costs.

[TimG]

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What a pathetic story. This woman is insisting on using a specific romanized version of the language, however, there is nothing traditional about romanized versions of languages. In the case of languages like Chinese or Japanese there are multiple standards for converting words into roman characters and I am sure the people who use this language have alternate versions as well.

A requirement that all official names must convert any special characters into standard roman characters that give people a hint on how it should be pronounced is perfectly reasonable.

Edited March 9, 2015 by TimG

[jacee]

What three languages do you want? There is English and French which leaves room for one of the 50 aboriginal languages spoken in Canada.

How many new alphabetic characters?

More than French?

Not a huge issue.

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[jacee]

Should culturally Chinese parents spell their kids' names with Chinese characters? We have a legal alphabet that we use in this country. It has Roman letters.

Even the mother admits at the end of the article that the kid will need to spell the name ewith Roman letters. What a silly made-up non-issue this is.

Three founding peoples, three legal traditions, a few more alphabetic characters.

No big deal.

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[The_Squid]

Which First Nation languages were ever in written form?

[Accountability Now]

How many new alphabetic characters?

More than French?

Not a huge issue.

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Well considering there are over 50 different First Nation languages, I would assume there is more than French.

But you're right about one thing, it's no big deal. I mean the First Nations didn't have written language until the Europeans came so it really shouldn't be a big deal.

[Accountability Now]

Which First Nation languages were ever in written form?

None. Until the Europeans came

[The_Squid]

None. Until the Europeans came

exactly.... which is why this issue is just silly.

[jacee]

Which First Nation languages were ever in written form?

Not sure, but some:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_languages

The languages of Mesoamerica were also among the first to evolve independent traditions of writing. The oldest texts date to approximately 1000 B.C.E. while most texts in the indigenous scripts (such as Maya) date to ca. 600900 CE. Following the arrival of the Spanish in the 16th century, and continuing up until the 19th century, most Mesoamerican languages were written in Latin script.

[The_Squid]

Not sure, but some:http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoamerican_languages The languages of Mesoamerica were also among the first to evolve independent traditions of writing. The oldest texts date to approximately 1000 B.C.E. while most texts in the indigenous scripts (such as Maya) date to ca. 600900 CE. Following the arrival of the Spanish in the 16th century, and continuing up until the 19th century, most Mesoamerican languages were written in Latin script.

Try Canadian First Nations.... I don't remember the Mayans being up here.

[Accountability Now]

Try Canadian First Nations.... I don't remember the Mayans being up here.

Lol. She certainly likes to move the goal posts. However from the UBC website (http://indigenousfoundations.arts.ubc.ca/home/culture/languages.html)

"As First Nations traditionally preserved and transmitted their culture and history through the oral tradition, no First Nations language in Canada had a writing system prior to European contact. Starting in the mid-19th century, European missionaries created writing systems for the Cree and Ojibwe peoples in an effort to teach them about Christianity. Over time, these writing systems were developed and consolidated to encompass more languages. Currently, the Algonquian, Athapaskan, and Eskimo-Aleut language families use variants of the Canadian Aboriginal Syllabic writing system. Some First Nations languages use the International Phonetic Alphabet (IPA).5 Others have their own systems. Many Salish nations in British Columbia, for example, have their own practical orthographies that are based on Roman characters."

Those damn Europeans.

[jacee]

I love this story ...

/thunder-bay/ontario-withdraws-charges-against-homeless-woman-who-built-her-own-cabin-

[jacee]

Educating Canadians about Indigenous rights and cultures

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​The U of W senate approved, in principle, a motion on Thursday that will require all students take a course focused on the rights, traditions, history, governance or other facets of indigenous culture.

[Smallc]

This is why people go to college now. University has no interest in the job market.

[jacee]

This is why people go to college now. University has no interest in the job market.

If you're thinking of a job in the resource industry, building or any other job involving development of land ... you will benefit from understanding Aboriginal rights on that land, the consultation/accommodation process and impact - benefit agreements.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5552370-4-things-aboriginal-leader-is-asking-of-the-rest-of-canada/

Canada's top aboriginal leader warned that the country's push for resource projects will be bogged down in legal and political strife unless governments consult more on revenue sharing and environmental protection.

"People won't invest in Canada if there is instability, if there is no partnership with indigenous peoples," Perry Bellegarde, leader of the Assembly of First Nations, said Wednesday in an interview at Bloomberg's Ottawa office. He said disputes over resource rights with aboriginals will affect most of the estimated $675 billion of projects over the next decade.

Edited April 12, 2015 by jacee

[Bryan]

If you're thinking of a job in the resource industry, building or any other job involving development of land ... you will benefit from understanding Aboriginal rights on that land, the consultation/accommodation process and impact - benefit agreements.

http://www.thespec.com/news-story/5552370-4-things-aboriginal-leader-is-asking-of-the-rest-of-canada/

Canada's top aboriginal leader warned that the country's push for resource projects will be bogged down in legal and political strife unless governments consult more on revenue sharing and environmental protection.

"People won't invest in Canada if there is instability, if there is no partnership with indigenous peoples," Perry Bellegarde, leader of the Assembly of First Nations, said Wednesday in an interview at Bloomberg's Ottawa office. He said disputes over resource rights with aboriginals will affect most of the estimated $675 billion of projects over the next decade.

Mr. Bellegarde doesn't seem to understand that no partnership is required. Courts have ruled that governments have a duty to consult, not a duty to get an agreement.

[jacee]

Mr. Bellegarde doesn't seem to understand that no partnership is required. Courts have ruled that governments have a duty to consult, not a duty to get an agreement.

Courts also rule on whether consultation is "meaningful" and accommodation is "adequate".

In practice, resource developments are not going ahead without agreements with Indigenous communities.

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[Bryan]

That practice only exists because governments are already bending over backwards to accommodate, doing far more than is required. That good will only goes so far if indigenous group keep saying that is not enough.

[On Guard for Thee]

Mr. Bellegarde doesn't seem to understand that no partnership is required. Courts have ruled that governments have a duty to consult, not a duty to get an agreement.

In case you missed it that language has now been changed to....... a duty to consult AND accomodate

[jacee]

That practice only exists because governments are already bending over backwards to accommodate, doing far more than is required.

No they're not.

[Accountability Now]

In case you missed it that language has now been changed to....... a duty to consult AND accomodate

You missed the two most important words in this new phrase...."if appropriate".

"The Crown has a legal duty to consult and, if appropriate, accommodate Aboriginal groups when it contemplates conduct that might adversely impact potential or established section 35 or Treaty rights of Aboriginal groups, as stated by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Haida and Taku River decisions."

http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100014649/1100100014653

Hence...consult and accommodate are not one and the same as you seem to wish

[On Guard for Thee]

You missed the two most important words in this new phrase...."if appropriate".

"The Crown has a legal duty to consult and, if appropriate, accommodate Aboriginal groups when it contemplates conduct that might adversely impact potential or established section 35 or Treaty rights of Aboriginal groups, as stated by the Supreme Court of Canada in the Haida and Taku River decisions."

http://www.aadnc-aandc.gc.ca/eng/1100100014649/1100100014653

Hence...consult and accommodate are not one and the same as you seem to wish

Oh I didnt miss those words at all. It is a new enough modification that it is still grinding its way along as to see just how the duty to accommodate, as is now required by the crown, will manifest itself.

[Accountability Now]

Oh I didnt miss those words at all. It is a new enough modification that it is still grinding its way along as to see just how the duty to accommodate, as is now required by the crown, will manifest itself.

Nope...you clearly missed it as you continue to miss how subjective the "if" really means.

[On Guard for Thee]

Nope...you clearly missed it as you continue to miss how subjective the "if" really means.

The change in wording clearly gives aboriginal interests much more clout when it comes to bargaining.