Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Six Nations Elected Council enacted a residency by-law in 1986 which states, “In pursuance of Sections 81(1)(p)(p.1) and (p.2) of the Indian Act, the Six Nations Council enacts as follows: (2) Only a registered band member of the Six Nations of the Grand River Indians shall be entitled to reside on the Six Nations of the Grand River Indian lands. (3) Any other person residing or trespassing or unlawfully frequenting for prohibited purposes on the Six Nations Indian Reserves No. 40 and No. 40B, in violation of any of the provisions of the by-law shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction to a fine not exceeding ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS ($1,000.00) or imprisonment for term not exceeding THIRTY (30) days or BOTH. The bylaw was passed in SNEC on 18 December, 1986 by then Elected Chief William K. Montour.- See more at: http://www.tworowtimes.com/news/local/non-native-man-with-ongwehowe-family-given-1-day-to-leave-six-nations/#sthash.D8kYzsBh.dpuf So in this story it talks about a white man living on reserve with his aboriginal family. Now he, has to leave the home (that he paid for) because he's white and someone doesn't like him. I can't believe that a law like this can exist anywhere in Canada today. Of course, the six nations and many other natives don't believe that they are in Canada anyway: http://www.tworowtimes.com/bill-c10-2/haudenosaune-confederacy-council-issue-official-statement-on-bill-c-10/ I don't know how you ever come to an agreement with opinions like this. Edited June 20, 2014 by Charles Anthony fixed quote Quote
hitops Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) That's actual, real institutionalized racism. Edited June 20, 2014 by Charles Anthony deleted quote of Opening Post re-copied in its entirety Quote
jacee Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Institutionalized ... in the 'Indian Act'. So who has to fix that? . Quote
Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 Nothing in the indian act says that non band members can't live on reserve - although I do agree it's institutionalized racism, and it and every native specific piece of legislation and constitutional framing should be done away with. Quote
Topaz Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Seems to me, this has more to do with the Aunt than him being white, who has lived there for 6 years or more. Maybe the Aunt's family should ask her why she complained after him being there 6 years, definitely a family matter. Quote
Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 It's not a family matter anymore. The law that allows his expulsion is certainly not a family matter. Quote
TimG Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 So who has to fix that?The responsibility rests entirely with the native leadership. Canadian governments have been willing to scrap it for over 40 years but they are blocked by self serving native leaders that don't want to give up their access to the money trough. Quote
scribblet Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Maybe their racism is a gift from the creator - who knows. <roll eyes> Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Nothing in the indian act says that non band members can't live on reserve - although I do agree it's institutionalized racism, and it and every native specific piece of legislation and constitutional framing should be done away with. Ummm...OK...does that mean that a band member can become Canada's head of state, and live in a palace ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 What a useful contribution. Keep up the great work. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) What a useful contribution. Keep up the great work. That's what I thought....this is a one sided perspective. Equality...but not that much equality ! Edited June 20, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 That's an inequality that everyone in the country is subject too, and it is not in any way comparable. Quote
TimG Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 That's actual, real institutionalized racism.Haven't you heard? Only white people can be racist (at least according to some posters here). Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) That's an inequality that everyone in the country is subject too, and it is not in any way comparable. But you only focused on 'native specific' legislation. Why ? What about Catholics and Protestants...for instance. Edited June 20, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 20, 2014 Author Report Posted June 20, 2014 There shouldn't be native specific legislation. It was a mistake that was made by the British long before this country was founded, and it's a mistake that continues to this day. Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 1) Why was the residency by-law enacted? If the need has disappeared then I'm sure its a defunct law on the books they are bound by. 2) Not that I agree but its not really racism. Six Nations see themselves as a sovereign nation (passports, etc.) so really its an immigration issue. You have a landed immigrant that's being deported. Too bad there's no appeal process. He could've been any nationality, white outrage can simmer down. Now until we address the sovereignty issue things like this will pop up time to time. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Current and older versions of the Indian Act certainly contain(ed) very discriminatory language that would be considered (racist) by any reasonable person: (3) Any Indian in the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, Alberta or British Columbia or in the Territories who participates in any Indian Dance outside the bounds of his own reserve, or who participates in any show, exhibition, performance, stampede or pageant in aboriginal costume without the consent of the Superintendent General or his authorized agent, and any person who induces or employs any Indian to take part in such dance, show, exhibition, performance, stampede or pageant, or induces any Indian to leave his reserve or employs any Indian for such a purpose, whether the dance, show, exhibition, stampede or pageant has taken place or nor, shall on summary conviction be liable to a penalty not exceeding twenty five dollars, or to imprisonment for one month, or to both penalty and imprisonment. http://www.danielnpaul.com/IndianAct-MoronicSections.html Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TimG Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 (edited) Six Nations see themselves as a sovereign nation (passports, etc.)...Since when do delusional beliefs have any relevance? Someone may think he is Napoleon but that does not entitle him to be treated as a foreign head of state. If they had any merit there would be customs checks at the border of the reserve. Edited June 20, 2014 by TimG Quote
Bob Macadoo Posted June 20, 2014 Report Posted June 20, 2014 Since when do delusional beliefs have any relevance?Someone may think he is Napoleon but that does not entitle him to be treated as a foreign head of state.If they had any merit there would be customs checks at the border of the reserve. Go drive to the reserve......I'll bet you see some customs officers Quote
Smallc Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 Current and older versions of the Indian Act certainly contain(ed) very discriminatory language that would be considered (racist) by any reasonable person: Yes, it does, and the government wanted to do away with it. The Government of Canada is not the reason that it still exists. Quote
Smallc Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 2) Not that I agree but its not really racism. Six Nations see themselves as a sovereign nation (passports, etc.) so really its an immigration issue. That would only be so if they actually were a sovereign nation. They aren't, so they have no legitimacy in that area. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Yes, it does, and the government wanted to do away with it. The Government of Canada is not the reason that it still exists. The "government of Canada" can't successfully change the Constitution Act for "white people", so why would it be any more successful with the Indian Act ? Who / what is the final arbiter of such things....the "white man's" court system ? Why should "status Indians" [Registered Indian] just roll over on this ? Edited June 21, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 The legitimate court system of the country. It will be dealt with by Canadians in Canada, no matter what obsessed Americans think. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2014 Report Posted June 21, 2014 The legitimate court system of the country. It will be dealt with by Canadians in Canada, no matter what obsessed Americans think. That's cool...I have been watching this circus for years decades. We actually get "status Indians" in the U.S. because of the Jay Treaty: Since 1928, United States law has specifically recognized the right of "American Indians born in Canada to pass the borders of the United States" but has limited that right to "persons who possess at least 50 per centum of blood of the American Indian race." 8 U.S.C. 1359. If you are a Native American born in Canada of 50% or more "Indian blood", you have specific rights and benefits. So there 'ya go...another reason for the hard done by "white people" to complain, no ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Smallc Posted June 21, 2014 Author Report Posted June 21, 2014 (edited) Yes, we know you're watching. What over interested Americans think about Canadian internal issues is rather unimportant though. Edited June 21, 2014 by Smallc Quote
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