monty16 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Posted June 25, 2014 It's not censorship. It's redundancy. We already have had several threads like this. No good has come from any one of them. You are not discussing anything new that we have not already discussed. Some people will never see good even if it kicked them in the a-s. So if you want to see only hate then see the US hate that the US felt for the people of Iraq. And what's really telling about it is they still do. Even now as they have been proven to be the evil entity that went to war for phony reasons. The Nazis could learn something from the US on that one! Quote
Shady Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 Some people will never see good even if it kicked them in the a-s. So if you want to see only hate then see the US hate that the US felt for the people of Iraq. And what's really telling about it is they still do. Even now as they have been proven to be the evil entity that went to war for phony reasons. The Nazis could learn something from the US on that one! Most definitely! Now we just need a time machine, so we can inform the Nazis of the new information they should learn! Quote
monty16 Posted June 25, 2014 Author Report Posted June 25, 2014 Most definitely! Now we just need a time machine, so we can inform the Nazis of the new information they should learn! It still serves a purpose because many Nazis were executed for war crimes which are being repeated by the US today. Calley for example, walked after serving less than 1 year. We know that Americans will never have to stand in the dock at the Hague for those crimes against humanity but even so, they may be less inclined to repeat such crimes if we keep the truth in the spotlight. At worst, we have at least convinced them to hid their crimes against humanity by not allowing open reporting on their wars. Embedded media. But alas, some people are so immersed in the US evil themselves that they are able to persuade themselves to not consider how they have aided and abetted crimes that equal and exceed the crimes of the Nazis in many circumstances. Might makes right. Victor's justice. Me and you Shady, the rest don't seem to have a clue! Or maybe they're all haters? Quote
Shady Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 It still serves a purpose because many Nazis were executed for war crimes which are being repeated by the US today. Calley for example, walked after serving less than 1 year. We know that Americans will never have to stand in the dock at the Hague for those crimes against humanity but even so, they may be less inclined to repeat such crimes if we keep the truth in the spotlight. At worst, we have at least convinced them to hid their crimes against humanity by not allowing open reporting on their wars. Embedded media. But alas, some people are so immersed in the US evil themselves that they are able to persuade themselves to not consider how they have aided and abetted crimes that equal and exceed the crimes of the Nazis in many circumstances. Might makes right. Victor's justice. Me and you Shady, the rest don't seem to have a clue! Or maybe they're all haters? Which crimes against humanity are you referring to? How are they any different from the actions of the Allies during WWII? Also, where were you during Saddam Hussein's crimes against humanity? Where are you regarding Iran's crimes against humanity, or anyone elses? Other than making excuses for them. Complain about the West, and makes excuses for the rest. That's your motto. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I haven't read monty's posts, but I'm getting the feeling he's the liberal equivalent of another poster here. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 I haven't read monty's posts, but I'm getting the feeling he's the liberal equivalent of another poster here. Save yourself the agro. Trust your instincts. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2014 Report Posted June 25, 2014 (edited) ....We know that Americans will never have to stand in the dock at the Hague for those crimes against humanity but even so, they may be less inclined to repeat such crimes if we keep the truth in the spotlight. Not likely...let me explain the national difference to you. Canada's "Great Shame" stems from the torture and murder of a single Somali teenager, while (one of the USA's) "Greatest Achievements" was the development and use of atomic bombs that killed nearly 200,000 people in Japan (Canada helped BTW), ending WW2. Got it ? Edited June 25, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted June 26, 2014 Author Report Posted June 26, 2014 (edited) I haven't read monty's posts, but I'm getting the feeling he's the liberal equivalent of another poster here. Oh, you want to get into the personal attacks? Show us you have the balls to do it or maybe you should just moan and groan and keep it to yourself. Zero tolerance pal. So no matter how you try to hide it, I'm going to point it out every time. This one doesn't reach the level that I consider needs to be reported yet but it's close. Stop it now! Thanks! Edited June 26, 2014 by monty16 Quote
Rue Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 Monty I am going to try keep my response very to the point. (lol) If I were to come on this forum and call all Germans hateful people and Nazis I would be taken to task for it so your comment to me is just not true. Plenty of Americans not just Canadians criticize US policies including policies that led to certain actions in Vietnam, Iraq, etc. This notion you have that in criticizing US policy you can stereotype all Americans in a negative way is what was challenged. When people come on this board for example and criticize Israeli state policies, I listen. If they use that criticism as a pretext to then cast negative stereotypes to all Israelis or all Jews, or all people who believe Israel has the right to exist I challenge them. I have come on this board and challenged people I respect if I think they were stereotyping ALL Palestinians or ALL Arabs. Most of us disagree and debate. Its a forum. We can get down and dirty and nasty sure. However most of us do not intentionally come on this forum to use words to incite hatred against an entire people and none of us regardless of where we stand on issues ike it. You have now presented quite a few threads and responses where you generalize and assign motives and negative stereotypes to an entire people. Its wrong when you or I do it with Americans, Jews, women, Ukrainians, aboriginals, gays, whatever. Its wrong because you and I can't possibly claim to know what others think let alone assume all people think the same way. I can not stand Hamas. I can not stand Hezbollah. I can not stand Intifada. That does not mean I hate Palestinians nor think they have no right to a state. I ask people to understand when they criticize Israeli policies, it does not mean the entire state is evil and all its people do not have the right to exist. I say the same about Americans now. Just because you may not like American values does not give you the right to come on this board and negatively stereotype all Americans. Americans are as critical on their shortcomings as you think you are on them. Their society openly allows and generates self criticism. Remember that when you compare them with states that kill people for speaking out or imprison people for daring criticize their government the way Americans can and do daily. No Monty I will not dismiss all Americans as evil. Also I want to tell you this hoping it sinks in. I learned from my family and relatives who survived the holocaust not to hate Germans. In fact I travelled to Germany three times to get over my fear of that nation and I have taken in German students in my home. Why would I hate Germans? What good would that do? I practice what I preach. I bring people into my home of all religions and nationalities. Not because I am a holier than thou saint, but its because my parents taught me that is what it means to be Canadian-we were allowed to come here and find peace because we respect each other no matter who we are. You can insult the US all you want but it allows the same thing. People can and do get along from all beliefs and religions. No we are not all evil and hateful. I hope you get it Monty because I think its the last energy I will spend on you and I do it out of respect to all the forum members that took the time to challenge you and now probably will not bother. Time to reflect on what you are writing Monty, Inciting hatred and then trying to justify it by some how equating it with challenging Nazis went beyond the absurd. Hating German people completely misses the point about the holocaust. The way we teach it is by teaching nto just about Hitler, but why otherwise normal people bought into his hate, and how others did NOT. You want me to hate Germans as you do Americans? No. I chose to remember the righteous gentiles who died helping Jews. Can I be more blunt then that? I choose to learn from the holocaust or forced starvation in the Ukraine or Armenian massacre or genocide in Sudan the same lessons. The blood was the same colour red, the sorrow, the same. Each is a unqiue reminder of what happens when we incite others to hate an entire people. It is precisely the memory of all such victims of genocide I ask you not to incite hatred against an entire people. No good comes from it as a poster said. Listen to him. Quote
scribblet Posted June 26, 2014 Report Posted June 26, 2014 It's been said that Americans don't value human life the way many other third world countries are known to do. A couple of examples quoted here: I've never seen that said, where is it 'said' Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
monty16 Posted June 27, 2014 Author Report Posted June 27, 2014 I've never seen that said, where is it 'said' I'm saying it and I've provided examples. Quote
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