Big Guy Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 To-day, the UN released a scathing report on the way the Harper government has been treating aboriginals. United Nations envoy says there’s a crisis in Canada when it comes to how aboriginal people in this country are treated, noting that the relationship between the federal government and indigenous peoples is even more strained than a decade ago. Is this report accurate? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted May 12, 2014 Report Posted May 12, 2014 How are they treating them? Why not link to the report? You keep doing this. Quote
TimG Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Is this report accurate?If it was published by the UN is a pile of nonsense. These so called "UN reports" are really nothing but position papers for people making money from the perpetual native grievance machine. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 I think the Harper Government, given a choice, would treat aboriginals the same as every other Canadian. You can see that in the changes that Harper has tried to make. Quote
monty16 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 If it was published by the UN is a pile of nonsense. These so called "UN reports" are really nothing but position papers for people making money from the perpetual native grievance machine. Challenges to the UN are extremist by their very definition. The US doesn't challenge the UN when it finds it's useful to their cause. Canada is starting to do the same. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 The UN is a convenient whipping boy for folks that don't know any better. I have worked for them as a contractor in a number of locations, mostly war zones, and saw a lot of good being done in some places, and not so good in others. I guess some people expect them to be perfectr. Quote
TimG Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 and saw a lot of good being done in some places, and not so good in others. I guess some people expect them to be perfectr.The UN is a big organization. Criticizing a report written by political activists on the treatment of minorities in a democratic country with a strong commitment to the rule of law does imply that everything the UN does is bad. As a general rule, if they are involved on the ground in countries without functioning governments then they are doing good. If they are lecturing democracies about how they should manage political discussions then they are full of crap. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 The UN is a big organization. Criticizing a report written by political activists on the treatment of minorities in a democratic country with a strong commitment to the rule of law does imply that everything the UN does is bad. As a general rule, if they are involved on the ground in countries without functioning governments then they are doing good. If they are lecturing democracies about how they should manage political discussions then they are full of crap. That's a pretty big stretch. It implies nothing of the kind. Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 That's a pretty big stretch. It implies nothing of the kind. It does when you think about it in terms of the real evils going on in the world, in comparison to the things looked at in this report. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 It does when you think about it in terms of the real evils going on in the world, in comparison to the things looked at in this report. You could make a case that there may be more pressing issues the UN could make reports on. That has nothing to do with the validity of the current report. Quote
Smallc Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 You could make a case that there may be more pressing issues the UN could make reports on. That has nothing to do with the validity of the current report. Who at the UN is qualified to judge. Quote
TimG Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) That has nothing to do with the validity of the current report.In democratic countries with the rule of law the are processes for resolving political disputes. The UN has no business trying to pre-empt these processes by taking sides. The report on aboriginals is no different than the UN releasing a report saying people should vote for a particular party. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG Quote
Shady Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 The UN is a convenient whipping boy They are. Even more convenient when they give Iran a seat on the Women's Rights Commission, don't you think? Quote
monty16 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 In democratic countries with the rule of law the are processes for resolving political disputes. The UN has no business trying to pre-empt these processes by taking sides. The report on aboriginals is no different than the UN releasing a report saying people should vote for a particular party. Yes, in the US especially there are rules that politicians make up to validate a planned war. The UN's mission is to prevent wars and so it's seen as interfering sometimes. Imagine that, not being gung-ho for a war! That's when the criticism starts. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Yes, in the US especially there are rules that politicians make up to validate a planned war. The UN's mission is to prevent wars and so it's seen as interfering sometimes. Yeah...that's how Canada especially bombed Serbia without UN interference. Warmongers ! Canada has been ignoring UN reports on "aboriginals" for decades, just like any other sovereign nation. Edited May 13, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 In democratic countries with the rule of law the are processes for resolving political disputes. The UN has no business trying to pre-empt these processes by taking sides. The report on aboriginals is no different than the UN releasing a report saying people should vote for a particular party. It's not a political dispute, it's a scorecard. The UN isn't looking for votes. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah...that's how Canada especially bombed Serbia without UN interference. Warmongers ! Canada has been ignoring UN reports on "aboriginals" for decades, just like any other sovereign nation. An American calling a Canadian a warmonger? Give me a break. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 An American calling a Canadian a warmonger? Give me a break. No...it's about ignoring the UN...in peace or war. Like this report....PM Harper is certainly not the first to ignore such things in Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
monty16 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 Yeah...that's how Canada especially bombed Serbia without UN interference. Warmongers ! Canada has been ignoring UN reports on "aboriginals" for decades, just like any other sovereign nation. Look bush_cheney, I'm not an American and I don't foolishly support my country when it does wrong. It's called honesty just in case you might want to try it with me. And so yes, Canada signed on to the phony war in Kosovo and Serbia and Canadian heads should roll at the Hague for that. Not to mention that we bear a lot of guilt over our treatment of our aboriginals. So I guess we're in agreement once again right? On the Kosovo war both the US and Canada and other Nato countries are guilty of waging a phony war and are guilty of murdering Serbs under their bombs. Or would you like to spin 180 on that now? Quote
TimG Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) It's not a political dispute, it's a scorecard. The UN isn't looking for votes.The "scorecard" is nothing but a set of talking points written by political activists for the native grievance industry. It is no different than a "scorecard" that rated the Canadian government by using talking points from the NDP policy book. They may not be looking for votes but they are definitely picking sides a domestic political debate. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 No...it's about ignoring the UN...in peace or war. Like this report....PM Harper is certainly not the first to ignore such things in Canada. With UN approval we went to war. Without it we did not. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 The "scorecard" is nothing but a set of talking points written by political activists for the native grievance industry. It is no different than a "scorecard" that rated the Canadian government by using talking points from the NDP policy book. They may not be looking for votes but they are definitely picking sides a political debate. Daft. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 Not to mention that we bear a lot of guilt over our treatment of our aboriginals. So what ? It's not something that suddenly occurred on PM Harper's watch. Does this "guilt" come and go with the political seasons ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 With UN approval we went to war. Without it we did not. Nope....like other sovereign states, Canada ignores the UN when it wishes for policy interests, and that includes "wars". Aboriginals have even less of a chance domestically. Land claims ......what land claims ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
TimG Posted May 13, 2014 Report Posted May 13, 2014 (edited) Daft.Only because you happen to support the side of the political debate that the UN activists choose to support. You would be just as critical of the UN if they picked a side that you disagreed with. You really have to stop assuming that people saying things that affirm your political prejudices are unbiased just because your prejudices are being affirmed. Edited May 13, 2014 by TimG Quote
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