Pro Life? Then Don't Run Under Liberal Banner

Spiderfish · May 12, 2014

Be that as it may: what restrictions would you think could be imposed to prevent such a thing?

This is a question that the Liberals will in no way entertain under JT's new policy. As far as justin's concerned, it's irrelevant.

Black Dog · May 12, 2014

This is a question that the Liberals will in no way entertain under JT's new policy. As far as justin's concerned, it's irrelevant.

I'm not asking JT's Liberals, am I?

Black Dog · May 12, 2014

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_province_in_Canada_has_the_highest_incest_rate?#slide=2

Guyser, thanks for that. I've never had to deal with that little box on any forum before.

And now for a little more help if you would. I can't quote a post of another here on this forum. The 'quote' button doesn't work for me either.

That's...not a good source.

Spiderfish · May 12, 2014

I'm not asking JT's Liberals, am I?

No you're not. I was making a point on policy, not opinion.

Boges · May 12, 2014

In giving women an unrestricted ability to abort their pregnancy does create these unintended consequences of people playing roulette with the gender or performing an abortion if an otherwise wanted child is found to have a chance at having some birth defect.

WestCoastRunner · May 12, 2014

So you're okay with aborting baby girls because we don't like baby girls?

In fact, the decision is usually that of the husband and family, putting extreme pressure on the pregnant woman to abort the female fetus and then get pregnant again to try and produce a male.

You can't tell the gender until it is past the 18 weeks, which means it would have to be approved. Doctors will not perform abortions based on gender.

Boges · May 12, 2014

You can't tell the gender until it is past the 18 weeks, which means it would have to be approved. Doctors will not perform abortions based on gender.

People can still lie. As to Dog's point, there is no way to enforce it.

Peter F · May 12, 2014

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_province_in_Canada_has_the_highest_incest_rate?#slide=2

Jesus wept.

WestCoastRunner · May 12, 2014

. Until then I would just respectfully request that you stop harassing me. Thanks!

You think Argus is harassing you and you thought I was picking a fight with you yesterday. You need to take a few steps back, breathe and regain your composure.

segnosaur · May 12, 2014

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_province_in_Canada_has_the_highest_incest_rate?#slide=2

Guyser, thanks for that. I've never had to deal with that little box on any forum before.

And now for a little more help if you would. I can't quote a post of another here on this forum. The 'quote' button doesn't work for me either.

A couple of points...

Wikianswers isn't always considered a reputable source. (At the very least it should have provided some links to source material to validate it.)

And even if it was, it had just a single word answer: Which province has the most incest? Alberta. For it to be relevant, some statistics would be userful... How much higher is the rate of incest in Alberta as compared to the next highest province? Compared to the national average? If the difference is within statistical error rates then it may not be particularly relevant.

guyser · May 12, 2014

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_province_in_Canada_has_the_highest_incest_rate?#slide=2

Guyser, thanks for that. I've never had to deal with that little box on any forum before.

And now for a little more help if you would. I can't quote a post of another here on this forum. The 'quote' button doesn't work for me either.

Try the same box and play with it.

monty16 · May 12, 2014

Thanks Guyser, I've got it now and can even quote! Different format here than I've ever used before.

Peter F · May 12, 2014

If you think matters of conscious should be part of party policy - having policy that tells people what to think.....well, its a very slippery slope. That's not leadership - it's authoritarianism.

I think people can vote for a different party if the Liberal party doesn't meet the requirements of their conscience. Imagine the possibilities!

Boges · May 12, 2014

I think people can vote for a different party if the Liberal party doesn't meet the requirements of their conscience. Imagine the possibilities!

I posted a column earlier that suggested that Liberals used to be the party of Catholics. I wonder if this policy might change that a bit.

cybercoma · May 12, 2014

Is this just the beginning for JT? Will he start whipping candidates for other issues?

If you don't approve of a Carbon Tax, don't run for the Liberals.

If you don't think MJ should be legal don't run for the Liberals.

Ask Stockwell Day what happens when you have a party that stands for nothing and everything all at once.

cybercoma · May 12, 2014

It's hard to understand who Trudeau was trying to sway with this decision. Was he trying to appeal to the women vote, the feminist vote? It seems the only people who would be impressed by this decision are voters who have basically already decided to give his party their vote, so all he's really done is alienate potential supporters of his party.

He's trying to steal from the NDP.

cybercoma · May 12, 2014

y'see Argus? We agree. No one should have control over a woman's pregnancy.

He walked right into that.

Mighty AC · May 12, 2014

I agree, defining the party position clearly allows future MP's to decide for themselves if they want to be involved in a party with such a hard-line stance on the issue. It also allows voters to judge for themselves whether the party truly represents their view.

The issue of abortion aside, I personally would have a problem supporting a leader who feels his moral view trumps everyone in his party and everyone they have been chosen to represent.

And we now have a leader who is clear where the party stands on important moral issues. I prefer this certainty, to playing politics with the lives and rights of people. Ethics should not be subject to a popularity contest. I happen to agree with the Liberal position of choice on this, but still prefer the honest approach even if I didn't.

I currently have an MP that was silent about the gay marriage issue during the campaign but once elected felt he had to vote his conscience and oppose equal rights. This despite the fact that the majority of my riding was in favour of equal marriage.

segnosaur · May 12, 2014

It's hard to understand who Trudeau was trying to sway with this decision. Was he trying to appeal to the women vote, the feminist vote? It seems the only people who would be impressed by this decision are voters who have basically already decided to give his party their vote, so all he's really done is alienate potential supporters of his party.

Quite possible he's trying to cause divisions in the Conservative party.

Remember, there are still elements of the Conservatives who are "social conservatives" (i.e. anti-abortion). At this time, they do not have any real power (fortunately), and I doubt abortion laws will be changed under Harper's tenure. However, Trudeau bringing up abortion is like waving a red cape in front of a bull... there's a good chance that the social conservatives will start to speak out, with an "end all abortion" message.

Hopefully Harper will be able to shut up the social conservatives within their party, and change the issue from an "abortion rights" issue, to one of "Look at Trudeau! Says he'll be different than the other leaders, but he's doing the same-old same-old".

For the record, I have no problem with Trudeau's actions in enforcing a pro-choice policy... a leader has to be able to exert a certain amount of control over his party, to keep it from getting hijacked, to keep unsuitable candidates from becoming candidates, etc., and his pro-choice policy is an extension of that. My criticism is regarding his "open government/Big tent" claims from before this issue.

Spiderfish · May 12, 2014

And we now have a leader who is clear where the party stands on important moral issues.

On this one, at least.

Of course his sweeping unanimity was thrust upon his party without consultation or consideration by it's members. Time will tell if his party supports his moral determination on the issue, and equally importantly, if they have the stomach to be part of a party that governs by a leader that has no interest in member contributions to such a decision or shows such disinterest in their personal moral judgement and the judgement of many of the people who they represent.

Edited May 12, 2014 by Spiderfish

Spiderfish · May 12, 2014

Quite possible he's trying to cause divisions in the Conservative party.

It's possible the unintended consequence may be a division within his own.

I couldn't help but notice that Liberal MP Dan McTeague has been unreachable for comment the last few days.

Keepitsimple · May 12, 2014

ARgus, Respectfully, you have my answer and if you choose to not accept it then the onus is on you to show evidence that says otherwise. And now I think I'll just leave it with you because I detect anger in your posts as opposed to a will to learn something and discuss it calmly.

Sorry Pal.....but you lost your credibility with your vile, irrelevant comment on incest. Your only out is humility - an apology and move on.

monty16 · May 12, 2014

No member contributions ring any bells for the Harper gov? I sure won't be voting for any quasi-dictator who wants to try it out on women.

Keepitsimple · May 12, 2014

We'll just have to wait and see how smart, dumb or exclusionary this Liberal "policy" ends up being. The fact is a sizable majority of Canadians do not agree with Trudeau's Abortion on Demand. Of that majority, many are outright pro-choice who understand that there are situations that require a little deeper thought than "drive me to the clinic". And of course, there's the millions of Catholics. We'll see.

monty16 · May 12, 2014

Sorry Pal.....but you lost your credibility with your vile, irrelevant comment on incest. Your only out is humility - an apology and move on.

Which part of my vile comment? I've pretty well proven that Alberta is the province that's most into brother/sister luuuvvvvv. And Alabama is too. Hillbilly mean anything to ya all?