Argus Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 (edited) I am told Liepert is actually a bit of a Red Tory, though he keeps these opinions inside of caucus and represents the Party line outside of caucus (as is appropriate for an MLA). As well, he is tough, and well spoken despite a lack of formal education. Anders just strikes me as a clown, sort of Rob Ford light. Harper would do well to put Liepert in cabinet if there is another Tory majority.... Why would he have had to keep being a red tory a secret within a provincial government made up almost entirely of red tories? From what I hear he was a loose cannon with foot-in-mouth disease. Edited April 14, 2014 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 It's actually not unusual at all for MPs to express support for long serving colleagues. And perhaps, like me, they have doubts about whether this guy is any kind of a conservative at all, and see him as a self-promoter who just longs for power under any banner. Yes it is unusual! Especially when Kenney knew very well that the riding association wanted him gone! It was no secret that Rob was a big black eye on the conservatives, Kenney just wanted him around because he knew how to get the donations from the far right radicals. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Here's a top 10 list on why this guy had to go! http://www.pressprogress.ca/en/post/10-reasons-rob-anders-canadas-worst-mp WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Also, I would definitely consider buying a CPC membership to vote for a riding representative who I found favorable. Absolutely. That's democracy. Interesting that you'd be drooling to be buy a membership in CPC, which allows anybody to do it.... while at the same time your beloved progressive NDP forbids any affiliations/memberships with other parties while you are a NDP member. Why do you hate freedom? Glad to see Anders gone, simply on the fact that he is a major idiot. Liepert is an upgrade but a hologram of Daffy Duck would be too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Interesting that you'd be drooling to be buy a membership in CPC, which allows anybody to do it.... while at the same time your beloved progressive NDP forbids any affiliations/memberships with other parties while you are a NDP member. Why do you hate freedom? Glad to see Anders gone, simply on the fact that he is a major idiot. Liepert is an upgrade but a hologram of Daffy Duck would be too. What do you have against Daffy Duck? Daffy was a smart enough guy who just to screwed by circumstances! He wasn't nearly as smarmy as Bugs Bunny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 I actually hate the business of 'selling memberships' to bring in non-party people who immediately get to vote in party elections. It leads to a rush of people who are only there to vote for their guy, and then have no further interest in the party. If I had devoted myself to a party riding association for years, and suddenly some new guy comes in and then recruits hundreds of people to make him the candidate I think I'd quit the party. There ought to be a rule that new members aren't allowed to vote until the election AFTER this one, and then only if they have been participating members of the riding association. I suggest you check the rules for the conservative party. I'm not sure about the conservative party, but I know the NDP has rules controlling this. If you want to reduce conservative members, all the freekin power to you! That's a perfect recipe to start loosing! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 14, 2014 Report Share Posted April 14, 2014 Anybdoy over 18 with $10 can join the provincial Tories in AB. They don't care if you're a card carrying Commie at the same time. Not so with the NDP, no two timing or wavering on the dogma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Anybdoy over 18 with $10 can join the provincial Tories in AB. They don't care if you're a card carrying Commie at the same time. Not so with the NDP, no two timing or wavering on the dogma. The only restriction with the NDP is that you don't belong to another party. No age restrictions. WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Anybdoy over 18 with $10 can join the provincial Tories in AB. They don't care if you're a card carrying Commie at the same time. Not so with the NDP, no two timing or wavering on the dogma. This is one of the reasons we get so many incompetents elected. There are a LOT of seats which are set in stone. The majority, in fact. The only real election that counts is the nomination by the party which owns that seat. When the rules are so slack someone, even a complete outsider with zero political experience or commitment, can simply march in a few hundred people, take over, and become the candidate, well, then they will become the MP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWTT Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 This is one of the reasons we get so many incompetents elected. There are a LOT of seats which are set in stone. The majority, in fact. The only real election that counts is the nomination by the party which owns that seat. When the rules are so slack someone, even a complete outsider with zero political experience or commitment, can simply march in a few hundred people, take over, and become the candidate, well, then they will become the MP. Not so fast buddy! I'm sure the conservative central party still has to approve of all the candidates. (I know this is the case with the NDP) There has to be at least a couple of loop holes somewhere to prevent a nobody walking in and hijacking the nomination! If there isn't, oh well the conservatives are screwed! And probably deserve it for being that blind! WWWTT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 Anybdoy over 18 with $10 can join the provincial Tories in AB. They don't care if you're a card carrying Commie at the same time. Not so with the NDP, no two timing or wavering on the dogma. I support some of the policies of all the major parties but mostly I support our form of democracy. For that reason I am a paid member of a few parties both federally and provincially. I am interested in politics so that way I receive information directly from the party rather than have it filtered through others. I know that most parties request that you not be a member of other parties but I choose my own road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 What do you have against Daffy Duck? Daffy was a smart enough guy who just to screwed by circumstances! He wasn't nearly as smarmy as Bugs Bunny! Good point about Daffy, it is just plain mean to compare him to Anders or Liepert. Daffy, I apologize and hope you can forgive me. I think you need to do the same for Bugs Bunny, the coolest dude in cartoons, ever. I know that most parties request that you not be a member of other parties but I choose my own road. You don't choose it in the NDP, which I believe is the only major party that REQUIRES, not requests, no other affiliations. THe AB provincial PCS stick to a couple of curious party election protocols.... The first is the open door, anybody- with- a -pulse-can-join practice. The second is the weighted voting for their leaders. Between them, they have had two surprises in a row (Stelmach and Redford) as leaders, and still have not changed either method. Anybody in Alberta can join, and they have done just that in great numbers on at least three occasions to influence the outcomes(Klein vs McBeth/Bettkowski, Stelmach defeating the dragons Dinning and Morton, and Redford beating Gary Mar) It certainly insures some frisky campaigning and interesting outcomes, but it also means the party hardcore does not have complete control of their affairs. Interesting experiment in direct democracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) You don't choose it in the NDP, which I believe is the only major party that REQUIRES, not requests, no other affiliations. I believe that the membership (with the $10) to the party is not a legal document. I am a cafeteria NDPer, a cafeteria Conservative, a cafeteria Liberal and agree with a few policies of the Green Party as well as the Wild Rose party. I think there are only a few people in Canada who march in blind and deaf lockstep with the party that they currently support and vote for. Edited April 15, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Macadoo Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 This is one of the reasons we get so many incompetents elected. There are a LOT of seats which are set in stone. The majority, in fact. The only real election that counts is the nomination by the party which owns that seat. When the rules are so slack someone, even a complete outsider with zero political experience or commitment, can simply march in a few hundred people, take over, and become the candidate, well, then they will become the MP. No, so many idiots are elected as only idiots show up with people.....equal opportunity idiotism. What does it matter what idiot is elected if the PMO is the authority supreme? Once the leadership vote is over....who cares right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 "I believe that the membership (with the $10) to the party is not a legal document." True, the NDP will just revoke your membership, keep the $10, kick you out and confiscate your corduroy clothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 (edited) "I believe that the membership (with the $10) to the party is not a legal document." True, the NDP will just revoke your membership, keep the $10, kick you out and confiscate your corduroy clothing. Probably - after they get and compare those data bases of party members that the political parties share. I suspect that it would not be a refund of $10 in cash but a note that my "donation" has been forwarded to a local shelter. That would not dissuade me from continuing top support some of the NDP humanitarian policies. But the corduroy clothing - NEVER!! Edited April 15, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 They don't care if you're a card carrying Commie at the same time. True, the NDP will just revoke your membership, keep the $10, kick you out and confiscate your corduroy clothing. I'm not sure if your labeling the NDP as "card carrying, corduroy wearing Commies" is verboten around here. Anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I'm not sure if your labeling the NDP as "card carrying, corduroy wearing Commies" is verboten around here. Anyone? I don't think so. The comment was "confiscate your corduroy clothing", seems equally benign as "confiscate your blue suit" to refer to kicking someone out of the CPC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 15, 2014 Report Share Posted April 15, 2014 I don't think so. The comment was "confiscate your corduroy clothing", seems equally benign as "confiscate your blue suit" to refer to kicking someone out of the CPC. benign? Oh ya, the Commie designation is just that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 benign? Oh ya, the Commie designation is just that! I missed that specific word… where does it say that other than in your own post? Besides, Is it actually offensive to NDPers to be identified with Communists? Last I checked, their constitution seems to imply that's what they align themselves with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I missed that specific word… where does it say that other than in your own post? I quoted exactly where it derives. Besides, Is it actually offensive to NDPers to be identified with Communists? Last I checked, their constitution seems to imply that's what they align themselves with. really - if you have that handy, a link/quote reference would be a way to verify your "last check". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 (edited) http://www.cbc.ca/newsblogs/politics/inside-politics-blog/2011/04/the-ndps-missing-constitution.html The preamble to the constitution says:"The principles of democratic socialism can be defined briefly as: That the production and distribution of goods and services shall be directed to meeting the social and individual needs of people within a sustainable environment and economy and not to the making of profit; To modify and control the operations of the monopolistic productive and distributive organizations through economic and social planning. Towards these ends and where necessary the extension of the principle of social ownership;" That's lifted directly from the Communist Manifesto, AND it reads exactly like a Fidel Castro speech. Edited April 16, 2014 by Bryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 That's lifted directly from the Communist Manifesto, AND it reads exactly like a Fidel Castro speech. one wonders why you wouldn't simply go the NDP website for the current constitution/preamble: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 "one wonders" Did you actually read the article I linked to? The NDP pulled the official document from their website when the CBC started investigating it, and later replaced it with the text you posted -- one the expunged the words "socialism" and "social democrat" entirely. So, does that mean that the NDP no longer believes in their founding principles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bleeding heart Posted April 16, 2014 Report Share Posted April 16, 2014 I'm mildly surprised that anyone still calls the NDP "communist." I mean, sure, it makes sense if you're coming at the topic from a fascist perspective..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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