Big Guy Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Just how is the world going to be a better or safer place when Russia is no longer part of the G(whatever)? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Shady Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 It's nice to see them taking my suggestion from a few weeks ago. Next thing on the list: nuclear weapons back in Ukraine, like before Russia's fake treaty. After that, fast track the other eastern block countries into NATO and arm them too. Lastly, increase production, exploration, refinement and exportation of natural gas to Europe. Supplanting Russia's current share. Checkmate Mr. Putin. You lose. Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Checkmate Mr. Putin. You lose. LOL! I can't believe that you written this little zinger at the end of your comment! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Look at this link I came across! http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/03/23/355791/putin-resists-dictatorial-world-order/ More to follow. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 This is just getting started. Europe gets 25% of its gas from Russia. Russia gets 50% of its gas revenue from Europe. Who loses most if Europe finds other suppliers? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Just how is the world going to be a better or safer place when Russia is no longer part of the G(whatever)?To be honest the west is in "a dammed if they do and dammed if they don't situation". On one hand there is no way any country that believes in rules based international system can support the Russian annexation of territory. On the other there is absolutely nothing that can be done to stop it. That leaves symbolic gestures that seem superficial but make it clear that the west is not happy about the way things played out. You can laugh at the futility if you like but it is preferable to the west simply accepting that Russia can grab whatever territory it wants and no one will care. Edited March 25, 2014 by TimG Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Looks like the mostly NATO G7 is at real odds now! Look at what Afghanistan just did! http://ri.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEVvcr6TBTMGgAHxoXFwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZDBpbXI5BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNQRjb2xvA2JmMQR2dGlkAw--/RV=1/RE=1395800748/RO=10/RU=http%3a%2f%2fwww.foxnews.com%2fpolitics%2f2014%2f03%2f24%2fkarzai-snubs-west-backs-russian-annexation-crimea%2f/RS=%5EADAdvCoOMcavBRjZ9eaIjidEyjnP0A- This really puts a twist into everything now doesn't it? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Karzai has always been a whore. The West is pulling out and he needs a new sugar daddy to prop up his regime. One shouldn't be surprized. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
On Guard for Thee Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 And if you think he's a whore, check out his brother. He collected apparently in the neighborhood of a billion bucks fro uncle sam the last year I wa there for "services rendered"to ISAF forces. Quote
ReeferMadness Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 It's nice to see them taking my suggestion from a few weeks ago. Next thing on the list: nuclear weapons back in Ukraine, like before Russia's fake treaty. After that, fast track the other eastern block countries into NATO and arm them too. Lastly, increase production, exploration, refinement and exportation of natural gas to Europe. Supplanting Russia's current share. Checkmate Mr. Putin. You lose. Does your version of events end in a radiated planet? Quote Unlimited economic growth has the marvelous quality of stilling discontent while preserving privilege, a fact that has not gone unnoticed among liberal economists. - Noam Chomsky It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it. - Upton Sinclair
On Guard for Thee Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Which Eastern Bloc countries would that be Sady? Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Karzai has always been a whore. The West is pulling out and he needs a new sugar daddy to prop up his regime. One shouldn't be surprized. Ya that's real funny considering the "west" put him there in the first place! No, something else is going on other than Karzai being a "whore" WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Rue Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) Exactly Wilber. Time for Europe to weed off its dependence on Russia and turn to Canada via our free trade agreement. WW I must agree with Wilber that Karsi is a whore. The West knew that when they propped him. When you go into these nations and prop a puppet leader, they always turn on you. Always. Nothing is going on other than Karzi playing both sides off each other trying to bide more time. Eventually he is a dead man. Whether he's taken out by the Americans or the Taliban we never will know but he's a dead man. Afghanistan was an unsuccessful attempt to try control what was thought of as an oil pipeline that would be run through it.The realization the country can not be controlled on the ground was lost on both the West and Russia and once again history repeated itself and has shown a bunch ot poor, rag tag warriors with superior understanding of the land make Afghanistan impossible to control. The huge lithium deposits in Afghanistan will have to wait for another time. No one can afford the protracted guerilla war with Taliban. Karzi? He's a whore for sale. Poppy growers, Taliban, whoever offers him power, he's available and that makes him a walking dead man. By the way the Talban in Afghanistan we used to call the Fedayeen they hate everyone equally and they are no friends with Iran, or any of the other Muslim extremists. Their brand if extreme Islam is basically one limited to Afghanistan and Pakistan. They have no time for anyone else-they distrust other Muslims as much as they do Russians or the West and they limit their terrorism to their own lands. They did not like Osama and all the external Sunni Muslim terrorists or Shiite terrorists that came into Afghanistan any more then they did the Yanks or Ruskies. Edited March 25, 2014 by Rue Quote
overthere Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Nothing is going on other than Karzi playing both sides off each other trying to bide more time. Eventually he is a dead man. Whether he's taken out by the Americans or the Taliban we never will know but he's a dead man. I don't think Karzai will linger around Kabul waiting for somebody to kill him. He'll have a billion or two parked already in safe places, purchased an arrangement for safe haven elsewhere, and an exit strategy bought and paid for. He'll be sitting at a cafe in Paris sipping espresso in less than 12 months. Quote Science too hard for you? Try religion!
Big Guy Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) It's nice to see them taking my suggestion from a few weeks ago. Next thing on the list: nuclear weapons back in Ukraine, like before Russia's fake treaty. After that, fast track the other eastern block countries into NATO and arm them too. Lastly, increase production, exploration, refinement and exportation of natural gas to Europe. Supplanting Russia's current share. Checkmate Mr. Putin. You lose. I believe that looking at world disagreements and conflicts in a "win" or "lose" situation atmosphere is dangerous. Conflicts are resolved without violence only when all participants are winners. It is very easy to start wars or promote violent means for a resolution to disagreement. Disagreements temporarily resolved by force are seldom resolved since the cause of the disagreement has not been identified and permanently resolved. Edited March 25, 2014 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted March 25, 2014 Author Report Posted March 25, 2014 The current Western spin is that by excluding Russia from the G8 and re-creating the G7 that the Russians will be hurt and learn some kind of lesson. Meanwhile, foreign ministers from the BRICS group of nations — Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa — held their own side summit in The Hague as G7 leaders sat down to talk. They have a different view of what happened in the Crimea. I believe that keeping someone inside the tent of conversation is far more productive than isolating them from their group. Will this latest move drive a wedge between the G7 and BRICS? The BRICS is a rather formidable economic unit. The Crimea question has been answered. I doubt if there is anybody who now believes that somehow Russia will change its mind and give Crimea to the Ukraine. It is always better to talk than to reject, admonish, isolate or war. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2001rank.html Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Going to have to agree with you on this one BG. G7 is only hurting itself here. I believe this is a case where the G7 wants it there way, no compromise no admitting they are wrong. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
TimG Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 I believe that keeping someone inside the tent of conversation is far more productive than isolating them from their group. Will this latest move drive a wedge between the G7 and BRICS?So what do you think the West should do in response to countries that use military force to annex the territory of their neighbors? A slap on the back and "go get em tiger" chant? Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 So what do you think the West should do in response to countries that use military force to annex the territory of their neighbors? A slap on the back and "go get em tiger" chant? From my understanding Crimea had a democratic vote. The G7 are now opposed to the democratic process. But that was always the case, just ask Pinochett Thatcher Reagen! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 From my understanding Crimea had a democratic vote. WWWTT Did they? The Crimean population is 58% Russian speaking yet the vote was 97% in favour of joining Russia. Doesn't that seem just a little bit odd to you? Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
TimG Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) From my understanding Crimea had a democratic vote.It was a farce. They had a vote forced on them by the Russians. The only options were independence or joining Russia. The Ukrainians boycotted the vote because of that. If Russia really wanted a democratic vote they would have put staying with Ukraine on the ballot. They likely would have still won with 55%+ but that was not enough for Putin because he did not want to risk losing the vote. What is means that despite the pretense of a vote it was still an annexation by military force. I don't see how anyone can sit back and say that is OK. I can understand arguments that we could not do anything about it but it is definitely not OK. Edited March 25, 2014 by TimG Quote
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 According to this link, it looks like the G7 is doing exactly what Putin wants! http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/world/war-without-weapons-russia-singles-out-canada-over-its-tough-line/article17656877/ I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't just a bunch of smoke and mirrors. I predict this issue will soon be fading away. After all, it's all about money! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 (edited) double post Edited March 25, 2014 by WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Wilber Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 What is means that despite the pretense of a vote it was still an annexation by military force. I don't see how anyone can sit back and say that is OK. Agreed. I don't think Putin is Hitler by any stretch of the imagination but his tactics in Ukraine have been nearly identical to Hitler's in Austria and Czechoslovakia. One wonders how far they will extend regarding other former Soviet Republics. Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
WWWTT Posted March 25, 2014 Report Posted March 25, 2014 Did they? The Crimean population is 58% Russian speaking yet the vote was 97% in favour of joining Russia. Doesn't that seem just a little bit odd to you? Please provide the link WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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