ironstone Posted April 27, 2014 Report Posted April 27, 2014 can you grasp the possibility that perhaps persons wishing to keep 'a form of vouching' in play are focused on a concern over what they interpret is an attempt by Harper Conservatives to disenfranchise some number of potential voters... regardless of what party they may support? I think that allowing vouching is an open invitation to fraudsters.I have yet to hear a single complaint over the fact that vouching is not allowed in Ontario and Quebec during provincial elections.But then again,those provinces are being run by left-wing parties so they get a pass...as usual. Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
On Guard for Thee Posted April 27, 2014 Report Posted April 27, 2014 I wonder why then these "fraudsters" haven't seemed to bother to take up that invitation. Quote
Topaz Posted April 27, 2014 Author Report Posted April 27, 2014 IF the Tories were so concerned about vouching and fraud in elections, then all they have to do is produce a Election Plastic card, used only in elections with name and address and none of this would matter, BUT having said that, there is still the homeless to deal with. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 27, 2014 Report Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Except I don't think the opposition is done pursueing amendments to this bill. Nor do I think the senate is done. Let's hope. And they will end up looking petty and unreasonable after the media has gone to such lengths to say that the government has "climbed down". Really though - think about it. Why have the media given a complete pass on Provincial voting in Ontario and Qubec where vouching is not allowed at all? How about all those disenfranchised voters and really, a provincial vote has more effect on the everyday life of a citizen than a Federal vote. Where is the balance in reporting? Hypocracy. Edited April 27, 2014 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted April 27, 2014 Report Posted April 27, 2014 And they will end up looking petty and unreasonable after the media has gone to such lengths to say that the government has "climbed down". Really though - think about it. Why have the media given a complete pass on Provincial voting in Ontario and Qubec where vouching is not allowed at all? How about all those disenfranchised voters and really, a provincial vote has more effect on the everyday life of a citizen than a Federal vote. Where is the balance in reporting? Hypocracy. The media mentioned many times in their reports the ban on vouching in those 2 provinces, I no longer live in either of them and so I wouldn't have known it was banned without hearing it on the news. And yes, what about all those disenfranchised voters? Quote
waldo Posted April 27, 2014 Report Posted April 27, 2014 I have yet to hear a single complaint over the fact that vouching is not allowed in Ontario and Quebec during provincial elections. But then again,those provinces are being run by left-wing parties so they get a pass...as usual. Why have the media given a complete pass on Provincial voting in Ontario and Qubec where vouching is not allowed at all? How about all those disenfranchised voters and really, a provincial vote has more effect on the everyday life of a citizen than a Federal vote. Where is the balance in reporting? Hypocracy. what could it be? Just what could it be? Just what has caused all this media attention that, to you, seems "unfairly" focused/skewed at the federal level? Seems obvious to me... you know, that federal level Harper Conservative "Moving Towards Fair, But Not Quite There Yet" act. . Quote
ironstone Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 what could it be? Just what could it be? Just what has caused all this media attention that, to you, seems "unfairly" focused/skewed at the federal level? Seems obvious to me... you know, that federal level Harper Conservative "Moving Towards Fair, But Not Quite There Yet" act. . Can you answer the question,namely why nobody on the left dares to mention that vouching IS NOT ALLOWED in Quebec and Ontario elections?Why aren't the so-called "experts" up in arms over this? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Keepitsimple Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Can you answer the question,namely why nobody on the left dares to mention that vouching IS NOT ALLOWED in Quebec and Ontario elections?Why aren't the so-called "experts" up in arms over this? .....crickets.... Quote Back to Basics
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 .....crickets.... I'm on the left, and I'm mentioning it right now. We need to bring those provinces in line with the rest of the country. Quote
eyeball Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Yeah, who's side are they on anyway? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bryan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 I'm on the left, and I'm mentioning it right now. We need to bring those provinces in line with the rest of the country. When do the astroturf protests start? Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 When do the astroturf protests start? I'm just enjoying the "climb down" for now. Maybe Harper should consult his legal reps before sticking his foot in his mouth and they could maybe insulate him from the current embarrassment he has had to endure. Quote
Bryan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 I'm still waiting for anything that even remotely resembles a climb down. The primary purpose of the bill, requiring people to prove who they are when they vote, is still happening. But yeah, the commissioner of Elections Canada will still get to show cartoons to kids. Whoopie. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 I'm still waiting for anything that even remotely resembles a climb down. The primary purpose of the bill, requiring people to prove who they are when they vote, is still happening. But yeah, the commissioner of Elections Canada will still get to show cartoons to kids. Whoopie. Apparently you haven't watched the news lately. Poilievre looks and talks like a boy who has been sent to his bedroom. The SCC and his own party have smacked him down. What is Harper going to try to come up with next I wonder? Quote
eyeball Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Supreme Court reform. It's like giving candy to a baby. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Now that would be interesting. The SC says Harper can't get rid of the senate, so now Harper persues a path toward getting rid of the SC. It wouldn't surprise me, but OMG it's gonna cost alot. Quote
eyeball Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 It'll have a lot of appeal amongst the law and vengeance crowd. They'll come so cheap as to be virtually free. Heck they'll probably write the CPC a cheque. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Bryan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Apparently you haven't watched the news lately. Poilievre looks and talks like a boy who has been sent to his bedroom. The SCC and his own party have smacked him down. What is Harper going to try to come up with next I wonder? Apparently I don't watch the same left-wing propaganda that you do. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Apparently I don't watch the same left-wing propaganda that you do. Apparently you don't watch the news at all. They are all covering it. Quote
Bryan Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Take of your pink glasses, there's some reality out there -- you might actually enjoy it. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Take of your pink glasses, there's some reality out there -- you might actually enjoy it. There certainly is some reality out there. And it knocked the pink glasses right off Stephen Harper. And boy oh boy, am I enjoying it! Quote
Keepitsimple Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 There certainly is some reality out there. And it knocked the pink glasses right off Stephen Harper. And boy oh boy, am I enjoying it! Too funny! What your schoolyard partisanship ses as a climb-down - is seen by many swing-voters as being accommodating. Quote Back to Basics
Topaz Posted April 28, 2014 Author Report Posted April 28, 2014 So if Canada get rid of the senate and what reason for this? So the senate is gone, so that means the PM of any majority government have 100% power to do any thing it wants, any thing, is that what Canadians want?? I rather have the senate but reform it so it benefits Canadians more than the House of Commons. It should be independent body, with a appointed Commissioner the GG. There should also be many changes to the House of Commons, one being they can not give themselves anymore hikes in pay. Quote
eyeball Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 Too funny! What your schoolyard partisanship ses as a climb-down - is seen by many swing-voters as being accommodating. It's probably more a case of being seen as just in time because more Canadians were starting to take notice. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
On Guard for Thee Posted April 28, 2014 Report Posted April 28, 2014 First day of QP for a couple of weeks. Neither Harper or Trudeau were there but I was glad to see Mulcair sticking to his guns on further changes to C23, mostly on the power to compel. Almost made me feel sorry for Poilievre. Quote
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