jacee Posted July 2, 2014 Report Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) Nice, dishonest misquote. That's taken from what they call 'popular propositions' and followed immiediately by: Mr. Grubel and economic consultant Patrick Grady argue, however, that these benefits either do not hold up to close scrutiny or that they are simply not worth the economic cost. That's opinion.Show me the facts. We had this discussion before, and there is no question that 1st generation immigrants don't make as much money as the 'average', but eventually their families do. Just like your (Scottish?) immigrant ancestors ... and mine (Irish ... and don't EVER call me a 'Brit'!) . Edited July 2, 2014 by jacee Quote
jacee Posted July 2, 2014 Report Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) jacee, on 02 Jul 2014 - 12:10 PM, said: Show me where in the proposed legislation it says "convicted of a terrorist act against Canada". You couldn't afford to live in my neighbourhood, so that's a given. You don't know that.But I sure hope you don't live in mine! Your posting style tends to the shrill, but never moreso than when anyone challenges one of your politically correct beliefs, then you grow so frantic it looks like you're simply screaming. Not worth my time responding. Won't answer the question (because you are wrong) so you fling personal insults. Figures. . Edited July 2, 2014 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted July 2, 2014 Report Posted July 2, 2014 Yes, a conspiracy... just as I thought. Who's talking conspiracy? I'm talking political motivation, which almost ALWAYS trumps what they'd like to do. Do you think he wouldn't like to bring the death penalty back, put in some laws against abortion, etc? Of course he would. He's just willing to go through the political firestorm that would cause. But the Reform Party he was an early part of wanted a huge cut to immigration. That was one of the reasons they got tarred as racists, bigots, etc., cowboy hicks who hated non-whites (despite having more non-white candidates than the other parties). Only as they morphed into the Alliance, and then into the Conservatives did they start courting immigrant groups, and also abandon promises which they thought were being exploited by the Left to portray them as cavemen, etc. They are still quite vulnerable to charges of bigotry, racism and being anti-Quebec, much moreso than the other parties, and so have walked very, very gingerly on these issues. And as we know here, anyone who questions immigration will instantly be labelled a bigot by a significant section of the Left, which includes most of the media. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted July 2, 2014 Report Posted July 2, 2014 That's opinion. Show me the facts. We had this discussion before, and there is no question that 1st geberation immigrants don't make as much money as the 'average', but eventually their families do. The report is full of facts, though I know you won't ever read it. The 1st generation is falling further and further behind the mean as the gap between the educational and skill levels of third world immigrants, and the high technology, communications age economy we're moving into widens. And you can hardly dismiss the first generation as unimportant. There are over six million of them now and we're adding a quarter million more every year. More people who can't find decent jobs, who fall into poverty, and who we have to subsidize because they don't earn enough to pay taxes. Adding up to $28 billion a year and rising. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 2, 2014 Report Posted July 2, 2014 (edited) I guess to you, Canada started when PET became PM.Actually, I think Canada really took on it's own identity when Tommy Douglas led the NDP, held the balance of power in the HoC, and got universal health care passed. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas . Edited July 2, 2014 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Actually, I think Canada really took on it's own identity when Tommy Douglas led the NDP, held the balance of power in the HoC, and got universal health care passed. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Douglas . Every European country has national health care. Canada took it's own identity during the first world war, when Canadian units fought under Canadian commanders for the first time. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Distract and derail ... tsk tsk!Back to topic ... jacee, on 02 Jul 2014 - 12:10 PM, said: Show me where in the proposed legislation it says "convicted of a terrorist act against Canada". hmmm?? . Edited July 3, 2014 by jacee Quote
PIK Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Every European country has national health care. Canada took it's own identity during the first world war, when Canadian units fought under Canadian commanders for the first time. People on the left are in denial when it comes to our military history, they wish they would just go away. Harper used the word warrior in a speech on Canada day and the media party are after him now. lol Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) Distract and derail ... tsk tsk! Translation: You're wrong and have adequate response. jacee, on 02 Jul 2014 - 12:10 PM, said: Show me where in the proposed legislation it says "convicted of a terrorist act against Canada". hmmm?? . I know you get a thrill whenever anyone blows up an American embassy or kills some Israelis, but most of us feel terrorists like that are just as much a threat to us. Edited July 3, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 I know you get a thrill whenever anyone blows up an American embassy or kills some Israelis. This is just blatantly stupid childish adhominem. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Argus Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 This is just blatantly stupid childish adhominem. It's perfectly in keeping with the tone of her posts, so why do you care? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
dre Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 It's perfectly in keeping with the tone of her posts, so why do you care? I never said I cared, I just commented on how stupid and childish it was. Seriously, its like something a 10 yearold would write. Do you honestly believe she gets a thrill when theres a terrorist attack against Americans or Israelis? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Charles Anthony Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 Folks, Stop the personal attacks. Ch. A. Quote We do not have time for a meeting of the flat earth society. << Où sont mes amis ? Ils sont ici, ils sont ici... >>
jacee Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 I know you get a thrill whenever anyone blows up an American embassy or kills some Israelis, but most of us feel terrorists like that are just as much a threat to us. That's disgusting. Translation of ArgusSpeak: "I won't answer because I'm wrong and you are right, so I'll just fling some nastier and nastier insults instead." I think you'd better take a cool off break Argus, and then come back and answer my question, repeated here for the third time: jacee, on 02 Jul 2014 - 12:10 PM, said: Show me where in the proposed legislation it says "convicted of a terrorist act against Canada.hmmm?? ? Quote
jacee Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 It's perfectly in keeping with the tone of her posts, ... Show me where ... ?! Quote
jacee Posted July 3, 2014 Report Posted July 3, 2014 (edited) I never said I cared, I just commented on how stupid and childish it was. Seriously, its like something a 10 yearold would write. Do you honestly believe she gets a thrill when theres a terrorist attack against Americans or Israelis?Thx dre. No I certainly don't, and I have no idea why Argus would say something so disgusting.But ... consider the source ... . Edited July 3, 2014 by jacee Quote
Argus Posted July 4, 2014 Report Posted July 4, 2014 I never said I cared, I just commented on how stupid and childish it was. Seriously, its like something a 10 yearold would write. Do you honestly believe she gets a thrill when theres a terrorist attack against Americans or Israelis? Clearly not. My apologies. I sometimes forgot not everyone here is as capable of understanding fairly clear sarcasm as me. Her repeated insistance that the legislation doesn't ONLY target those who commited terrorist acts here... as if she can't understand why we would have anything against those who commited terrorist acts elsewhere, struck me as worthy of mockery. Ie, what the hell does it matter if it targets any terrorists and not merely those who target Canadians? And no, I cannot see any likelihood WHATSOEVER, that it would be used against dual citizens who are convicted of 'terrorism' with spurious evidence by autocratic governments. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted July 5, 2014 Report Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) You are the one who said the legislation was about stripping citizenship from people who commit acts of terrorism against Canada. I was pointing out that it's not limited to that, and could be applied to dual citizens who commit other types of terrorist acts too. Regardless of your opinion of how you think it may or may not be used, you don't know that for sure. . Edited July 5, 2014 by jacee Quote
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