BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 That's very true.So you agree that it was ridiculous and slimy for the PMO to say it is hypocritical to encourage innovation because we have benefited from the old ways. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Shady Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 I don't think that particular car is on the market yet. I think it's still a prototype. I brought it up because hitops said he would be interested in what Young has to say when he invests real money into electric cars, and I couldn't resist pointing out how out to lunch that statement was. Right. So it's not practical for middle class families. The same way the rest of millionaire Neil's other suggestions aren't practical. Other than to out of touch millionaires. He needs to shut up and sing and leave me the hell alone. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Right. So it's not practical for middle class families. The same way the rest of millionaire Neil's other suggestions aren't practical. Other than to out of touch millionaires. He needs to shut up and sing and leave me the hell alone.What's impractical about a Prius? And what's wrong with investing in new technologies rather than old ones we know won't work long term? Why do you keep saying he should shut up rather than talk about the issue? Is it because you know you're on the wrong side of history and just don't want to admit it? And what makes you think he isn't leaving you alone? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
waldo Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Right. So it's not practical for middle class families. The same way the rest of millionaire Neil's other suggestions aren't practical. Other than to out of touch millionaires. He needs to shut up and sing and leave me the hell alone. quit being such a tool! You're reading the posts..... there was a reference to Lincvolt - why not spend a few cycles and actually read something before shooting your mouth off any further? The initiative is a symbolic nod to innovation... there's no direct marketing/commercial thrust/intent behind the initiative, behind the single vehicle... other than to act as inspiration to have auto companies utilize technologies brought forward within the initiative. Quote
Accountability Now Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 So you agree that it was ridiculous and slimy for the PMO to say it is hypocritical to encourage innovation because we have benefited from the old ways. They don't discourage innovation. In fact there is a tax credit for it. Something our company has taken advantage of a few times. http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/txcrdt/sred-rsde/menu-eng.html Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 They don't discourage innovation.Tell that to the PMO, who attacked Neil Young's "lifestyle" because he dared to suggest that they move forward towards carbon-neutral energy sources. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Accountability Now Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Tell that to the PMO, who attacked Neil Young's "lifestyle" because he dared to suggest that they move forward towards carbon-neutral energy sources. Do you have a quote from the PMO's office to which you are referring to? Quote
Shady Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Do you have a quote from the PMO's office to which you are referring to? Of course he doesn't. Disagreeing with any of Youngs opinion is tantamount to an "attack" to alarmist ilk. Quote
Spiderfish Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 It's hypocritical, because Neil's carbon footprint in touring, traveling, equipment and sound, the people he needs to move around, recording and distributing albums, etc, is probably 100 - 1000x that of the average Canadian. Hypocrisy aside, comparing development in Fort McMurray to the bomb dropped on Hiroshima is just goofy and disrespectful and eliminates any credibility he may earn if he actually practiced what he preached and voluntarily reduced his disproportionally large carbon footprint. Quote
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Corporations or conservatives then, eh? I trust corporations to be venal and self-serving. Actually, I trust pretty much everyone to be self-serving. I trust Neil Young to sing halfway decent songs. I certianly don't trust that his threadbare knowledge of this issue is of any value to anyone. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 I sort of get your point, but, let me add this: Niel as I'm sure you are well aware doesn't have to drive a Prius. He could, like Jay Leno for instance, choose to have a garage full of gas guzzling "penis extenders", if he wanted to. He chose the Prius. Young doesn't drive a Prius. He drives an extremely expensive self-modified vehicle way, way beyond the means of most people. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
FutureCanadian Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 So when the newer cheaper EV models are released next cycle within the normal range for new motor vehicles, what will the talking point be then? Quote
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 He moved to California, he didn't abandon Canada. Check his passport if you like. And he's back up here chasing Harper back under the bed where he seems to spend a lot of his time. Oh what fun! Do you really think Harper cares what Young says or thinks or wants or does? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Do you have a quote from the PMO's office to which you are referring to?"Even the lifestyle of a rock star relies, to some degree, on the resources developed by thousands of hard-working Canadians every day." Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Accountability Now Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Of course he doesn't. Disagreeing with any of Youngs opinion is tantamount to an "attack" to alarmist ilk. The quote I read seemed quite respectful of Young and didn't mention anything about innovation. That's why I'm wonder which quote Bubber is reffering to. The reality, as pointed out, Young uses oil in many other ways....not just his personalized vehicle (which is not safe to drive due to ignition fires) Quote
Accountability Now Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 "Even the lifestyle of a rock star relies, to some degree, on the resources developed by thousands of hard-working Canadians every day." Ouch....how disrespectul to suggest that Neil Young may actually use oil. Those jerks. Quote
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 That must be it. He only ever calls me "Bubbler." But Neil Young isn't forcing anyone to listen to him. Those who are offended that he would dare suggest we work towards using more carbon-neutral energy sources have been sufficiently brainwashed to believe we're not supposed to talk about such issues. I'm only offended by stupidity, as in, those who listen to people like Neil Young and then spend billions of taxpayer dollars doubling the price of electricity in my province. Of course, that's bound to produce hundreds of thousands of 'green jobs' some day! Any time now, no doubt! Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 I trust corporations to be venal and self-serving. Actually, I trust pretty much everyone to be self-serving. I trust Neil Young to sing halfway decent songs. I certianly don't trust that his threadbare knowledge of this issue is of any value to anyone. given the perception I hold of your collective past posts concerning global warming/climate change..... who/what do you trust and rely upon to allow you to interpret your, as you say, "knowledge of this issue"? as for your declared "Young's threadbare knowledge"... what statement's of his do you particularly have concerns over? Quote
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Young's "Prius" (as earlier stated and run with): big-time technological pursuit... with MIT engineers involved... a battery-ethanol hybrid. A big ole honking American car... purposely chosen to show what could be done... with a big ole honking American car! And lots and lots and lots of money. Don't forget that part. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Young doesn't drive a Prius. He drives an extremely expensive self-modified vehicle way, way beyond the means of most people. which he openly states & acknowledges; again... see innovation pursuit intended to provide technological advances toward possible inspiration for auto companies to examine and expend additional R&D attention toward. Quote
BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Ouch....how disrespectul to suggest that Neil Young may actually use oil. Those jerks.To help, the subtext is unquestionably that he is a hypocrite for calling for innovation because his "lifestyle" is made possible by using oil. It's no better than Shady telling him to shut up. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
BubberMiley Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 And lots and lots and lots of money. Don't forget that part.Lots and lots and lots of money where his mouth is. Don't forget that part. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
waldo Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) If rock stars need oil is an official response, how does that affect the treaties Mr. Harper's government of Canada is breaking? Of course, rock stars don't need oil. I drove my electric car from California to the Tar sands and on to Washington DC without using any oil at all and I'm a rock star. My car's generator runs on biomass, one of several future fuels Canada should be developing for the Post Fossil Fuel Age. This age of renewable fuels could save our grandchildren from the ravages of Climate related disasters spawned by the Fossil Fuel Age; but we have to get started. As to the thousands of hard working Canadians, we have respect for all working people. The quandary we face is the job they are working on. They are digging a hole that our grandchildren will have great trouble digging their way out of. By that we mean Climate Change, the result of too much CO2 in the atmosphere There are better jobs to be developing, with clean energy source industries to help make the world a safer place for our grandchildren. The oil sands projects are among the very dirtiest on earth. Per day, the oils sands operations produce as much CO2 as all the cars in Canada. While every gallon of gasoline from the cleanest oil sources produces 19.5 LBS of CO2, Alberta oil sands derived gasoline produces up to three times as much CO2 because of the inefficient methods used, potentially bringing the total CO2 per gallon to almost 60 LBS. This oil is going not to Canada, but to China where the air quality has been measured at 30 times the levels of safety established by the World Health Organization. Is that what Canada is all about? As a Canadian citizen, I am concerned that this government is not acting within the advice of science. When people say one thing and do another, it is hypocrisy. Our Canadian environmental laws don't matter if they are broken. Edited January 14, 2014 by waldo Quote
TimG Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Lots and lots and lots of money where his mouth is. Don't forget that part.He owes his wealth to the economy created by easy access to low cost energy. Without that economy no one would have bought his songs or went to his concerts. Anything he does with money earned thanks to fossil fuels is a stunt. If he really wanted to demonstrate his commitment to a non-fossil fuel economy he would take up life as a goat herder in Somalia. Until he does that he is a pathetic hypocrite. Quote
Argus Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 (edited) Tell that to the PMO, who attacked Neil Young's "lifestyle" because he dared to suggest that they move forward towards carbon-neutral energy sources. The problem with people like Young is they're children. We see a number of them here who often speak on this subject. Like children, they get enthusiastic about doing something. They neither know, nor care about the complications, and, in fact, resent anyone bringing them up. The Ontario government was run by children for the last decade, particularly a child named McGuinty. He enthusiastically embraced carbon-neutral energy sources, offering them huge incentives and subsidies on long term deals. To anyone who protested, he gave the finger, calling them 'deniers' and promising us all masses of new 'green' jobs. Well Ontario's power costs have doubled, and will continue to get much worse. Before long, Ontario will have the highest energy prices in all of North America, paying ten or twenty times as much for green power as for regular oil or nuclear power. The green jobs? They disapeared, along with thousands and thousands of manufacturing jobs while old ladies shiver in the near dark, barely able to afford to pay for their electricity. This is what happens when you let children tell you what to do. This is why I give no credence whatsoever to the Neil Young's of the world. Edited January 14, 2014 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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