guyser Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/16/justin-trudeau-wrongly-bills-taxpayers-blames-human-error I think he needs to stepped down as leader of the liberals till we have a public inquirey and then bring in the RCMP for a investigation, to see how much more of these honest mistakes he has done. I have never seen anyone so scared of Trudeau than you. Almost everything you write includes something to do with the kid. He must be some hell of a threat to you. Its actually quitre amusing, especially in light of your support of Mayor Ford and constant rants against the media.....even when they prove to be 100% accurate. What the hell is in that water in the Ottawa Valley? Edited January 17, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
PIK Posted January 17, 2014 Author Report Posted January 17, 2014 I am just doing what you or the others would be doing if he was a conservative. And anyone with a brain would be worried of him becoming PM. And your post just proves how far people will go to protect this kid. Anyone that thinks he can run a G8 nation like this one scares me also. How embarressing will it be if PM Trudeau talks shop with other leaders, sounding like teenager with'' UM'' every second word. He will only be a puppet, that is one reason why they picked him, easly controlled. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
guyser Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) I am just doing what you or the others would be doing if he was a conservative.Um...No, my past history would suggest not. But dont let that stop the delusions. And your post just proves how far people will go to protect this kid.Reading and comprehension are important. Especially when in my last post I did nothing to protect this kid. I just commented on how scared you appear in all your posts. Anyone that thinks he can run a G8 nation like this one scares me also. How embarressing will it be if PM Trudeau talks shop with other leaders, sounding like teenager with'' UM'' every second word. He will only be a puppet, that is one reason why they picked him, easly controlled.Wonderful projection . I now know where RoFo and Dofo get their water. Edited January 17, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/16/justin-trudeau-wrongly-bills-taxpayers-blames-human-error I think he needs to stepped down as leader of the liberals till we have a public inquirey and then bring in the RCMP for a investigation, to see how much more of these honest mistakes he has done. I think the RCMP are currently too busy investigating the current PM's scandals. Harper must flinch when he thinks ahead to the day Nigel Wright is hauled into court and placed under oath. Quote
PIK Posted January 18, 2014 Author Report Posted January 18, 2014 And nigel will confirm the PM was right. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 And nigel will confirm the PM was right. Are you laying any odds on that? Because I'll take'em. You are laboring under the illusion that your fearless leader, who is not even a lawyer, is smarter about such things as Nigel, who is a very experienced lawyer. My guess is at the end of the day Nigel will confirm that all, ALL, in the PMO knew what was going on. It comes down to either he is lying or he has lost control. In either case he needs to go. Quote
Keepitsimple Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 Are you laying any odds on that? Because I'll take'em. You are laboring under the illusion that your fearless leader, who is not even a lawyer, is smarter about such things as Nigel, who is a very experienced lawyer. My guess is at the end of the day Nigel will confirm that all, ALL, in the PMO knew what was going on. It comes down to either he is lying or he has lost control. In either case he needs to go. Good luck with that. Small minds tend to think that something like the Duffy situation was a big thing. It BECAME a big thing but at the time, it was something that a Chief of Staff should handle on his own - and be expected to handle on his own. He probably briefed Harper on the fact that Duffy was being an ***hole and Nigel said he would handle it. End of story. A Prime Minister has many larger things to deal with on a Global and National basis. Nigel made an error in judgement and kept his actions among a tight circle - as a Chief of Staff probably does with many, many actions and decisions. We'll have to wait for Nigel of course but I'd keep your bet small if I were you. Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted January 24, 2014 Report Posted January 24, 2014 I believe that Justin will remain the leader of the federal Liberals for the foreseeable future. There is no one else interested in opposing him within the party. Longitudinal historical data indicates that Canada is due for a change in government. Remember that the Liberals were defeated NOT because of policy but because of a money mismanagement "scandal". I believe that the majority of Canadians gravitate more towards the Liberal center than the current Harper Conservative right. The NDP remains still too far left to form a government. I also believe that in 4 years Justin Trudeau will be PM and that in 8 years marijuana, prostitution and euthanasia will be legal in Canada. Canadian foreign policy will also be shifting back to a more moderate, international position and Canada will once again be seen as an "honest broker" in European and Middle East issues. The political pendulum will swing back towards the middle. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Spiderfish Posted January 25, 2014 Report Posted January 25, 2014 (edited) http://www.ottawasun.com/2014/01/16/justin-trudeau-wrongly-bills-taxpayers-blames-human-error I think he needs to stepped down as leader of the liberals till we have a public inquirey and then bring in the RCMP for a investigation, to see how much more of these honest mistakes he has done. I know of a few Senators who got canned for pulling this crap. I think there should be a full public audit of all MP and Senate expenses. These "honest mistakes" have got to stop and the MP's and Senators who can't figure out personal expenses from business expenses educated. Perhaps having to defend their actions in front of an audit committee may help them figure it out. Edited January 25, 2014 by Spiderfish Quote
jbg Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 I also believe that in 4 years Justin Trudeau will be PM and that in 8 years marijuana, prostitution and euthanasia will be legal in Canada. Canadian foreign policy will also be shifting back to a more moderate, international position and Canada will once again be seen as an "honest broker" in European and Middle East issues. The political pendulum will swing back towards the middle. I think Justin will lead through a disastrous election and be replaced. You may be right about 2019 but I'm not sure your views on what the Canadian center consists of is correct. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
On Guard for Thee Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 Good luck with that. Small minds tend to think that something like the Duffy situation was a big thing. It BECAME a big thing but at the time, it was something that a Chief of Staff should handle on his own - and be expected to handle on his own. He probably briefed Harper on the fact that Duffy was being an ***hole and Nigel said he would handle it. End of story. A Prime Minister has many larger things to deal with on a Global and National basis. Nigel made an error in judgement and kept his actions among a tight circle - as a Chief of Staff probably does with many, many actions and decisions. We'll have to wait for Nigel of course but I'd keep your bet small if I were you. "Small minds" also understand that bribing a sitting senator, especially in an attempt to thwart an ongoing audit is illegal. "We are good to go", with what is just one question Mulcair has bludgeoned Harper with, the responses to which have spurred hails of laughter in the house. The current polls show the results. Anyway, next QP monday will be interesting I bet. Quote
jacee Posted January 26, 2014 Report Posted January 26, 2014 I know of a few Senators who got canned for pulling this crap. I think there should be a full public audit of all MP and Senate expenses. I believe that's in process, and all expenses are now posted publicly. Quote
PIK Posted January 29, 2014 Author Report Posted January 29, 2014 I know of a few Senators who got canned for pulling this crap. I think there should be a full public audit of all MP and Senate expenses. These "honest mistakes" have got to stop and the MP's and Senators who can't figure out personal expenses from business expenses educated. Perhaps having to defend their actions in front of an audit committee may help them figure it out. You mean going back to UN made foreign policy, where we just see where the wind is blowing and jump on side. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
PIK Posted February 6, 2014 Author Report Posted February 6, 2014 So trudeau says he is going to be a very open and transparent leader, well his little gamble with throwing out the senators was not6 to open or transparent was it?? He seemed to do this by himself with a couple of advisors and that was it. Another lie by justin. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 So trudeau says he is going to be a very open and transparent leader, well his little gamble with throwing out the senators was not6 to open or transparent was it?? He seemed to do this by himself with a couple of advisors and that was it. Another lie by justin. PIK! Has something happened to Senators??? How did you find out about this closed, hidden and surreptitious action/event? Do you have any links... I haven't heard/read anything about this... anything at all! Quote
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 PIK! Has something happened to Senators??? How did you find out about this closed, hidden and surreptitious action/event? Do you have any links... I haven't heard/read anything about this... anything at all!For someone who says their policy-making and decision-making process will be an open and transparent one, removing the Liberal Senators from caucus was a complete contradiction of that position. He did not consult the party members; he did not discuss it with the Senators; he did not decide with caucus. This was a unilateral move by him and his advisors alone. That's not open and transparent. It's top-down leadership by definition. Now maybe you want to argue that this was necessary for whatever reason. But let's not pretend it fits with how he's branding himself. Quote
waldo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 For someone who says their policy-making and decision-making process will be an open and transparent one, removing the Liberal Senators from caucus was a complete contradiction of that position. He did not consult the party members; he did not discuss it with the Senators; he did not decide with caucus. This was a unilateral move by him and his advisors alone. That's not open and transparent. It's top-down leadership by definition. Now maybe you want to argue that this was necessary for whatever reason. But let's not pretend it fits with how he's branding himself. nonsense! In the real context being discussed, accountability and transparency reflects upon the public's knowledge of impacting actions/changes..... actions and changes that directly affect the public. Please let me know how the inner workings of the NDP caucus have been presented to the Canadian public for review, sanctioning and acceptance! Quote
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 Don't forget to pay Shady royalties for your post. Quote
waldo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 you're confusing 'nonsense' with 'complete nonsense™' Quote
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 I was confusing your argumentation style with the red herring about the NDP and utterly ignoring the facts. Quote
waldo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 I was confusing your argumentation style with the red herring about the NDP and utterly ignoring the facts. red herring? I just asked for some NDP facts on presenting inner caucus workings to the Canadian public... allowing the Canadian public to review, comment on, validate, decide and accept actions/changes within the NDP caucus. I mean, really, c'mon - if you're so prepared to comment on another party's caucus workings, surely you have, at ready, answers to my request. Surely. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 I'm prepared to comment on public statements made by Trudeau that he would be open and transparent about party decisions. This Senate move, even if you agree with it, contradicts his earlier stance that he would be open and transparent about decisions that are made. You're now trying to say what he meant about being open about decisions is that he would announce them. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how silly that argument is. What the NDP does is irrelevant and off topic. Quote
waldo Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 I'm prepared to comment on public statements made by Trudeau that he would be open and transparent about party decisions. This Senate move, even if you agree with it, contradicts his earlier stance that he would be open and transparent about decisions that are made. You're now trying to say what he meant about being open about decisions is that he would announce them. I'm sure I don't need to tell you how silly that argument is. What the NDP does is irrelevant and off topic. "open and transparent about party decisions"??? Is there a quote, contextually applied/explained? I read that phrase, your words and, again, it speaks to public affect/impact... being accountable and transparent as concerns the public. Internal caucus workings are not public domain... no matter how hard your silly argument tries to suggest so. At this point you're reaching hard and long, in any manner possible to find any/every means to find fault with a decision that simply mirrors a part of the very NDP motion you were so (initially) touting. And yes, I'm most prepared to comment on your/NDP hypocrisy in this regard... extending that to now include what you call a red-herring, irrelevant and off topic; i.e., the inner workings of the NDP caucus and challenging you to advise just how the NDP inner caucus workings are managed, controlled, reviewed, analyzed and decided upon by the Canadian public. Quote
cybercoma Posted February 6, 2014 Report Posted February 6, 2014 Without even reading your post I see you've dropped NDP in there a number of times, so I'm going to just skip it and step out of this conversation with you. You apparently don't want to discuss Trudeau's actions, as they stand opposed to his words. Quote
waldo Posted February 7, 2014 Report Posted February 7, 2014 Without even reading your post I see you've dropped NDP in there a number of times, so I'm going to just skip it and step out of this conversation with you. You apparently don't want to discuss Trudeau's actions, as they stand opposed to his words. I've been discussing Trudeau's "actions, as you say" throughout... and where appropriate comparing those actions to either the/your highlighted NDP motion and/or NDP inner caucus workings. Of course, I wouldn't be required to do so if someone acknowledged that one of he actions aligned with the NDP motion and the other is in line with how respective parties inner caucus workings... work (with respect to the general public). Quote
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