There is no such thing as an "Israeli".

[Rue]

Oh but I am. I am in the position to say what I like to say.

Your response proved my point again.

Tell me when you are able to let go over your zealotry and tribalism and start seeing and treating others as you would yourself. If you're unable to do that, you will be sidelined, just like other extremists have been in history.

Israel's discriminatory treatment of Palestinians and other minorities in Israel and the Occupied Territories have continued for decades. The world does not have the stomach for it anymore and it will end, with or without your support.

Hudson this tactic of trying to avoid your identity by continuing to ridicule mine is not working.

Neither is the tactic of attacking me personally to try switch focus away from the points I raised you don't know how to respond to.

That tactic which is identical to Bud's right down to the syntax is finished. It's not working.

Ridiculing me for being Jewish, presuming to tell me or any other Jew we are tribal zealots because we believe we have the right to live with self determination like all other humans, is not working.

In fact all you have done "Hudson Jones" is show you are ashamed to reveal your own tribal identity because you think it will be ridiculed the way you ridicule mine-you reveal it in these words, and I quote, "treating others as you would yourself...".

That's called a subconscious disclosure "Hudson Jones". They slip out. They usually are emitted when people are conflicted as to their own identity.

Its all stripped bare "Hudson Jones". Any pretense you had of criticizing Israel state policy long ago was revealed by you to be just a thread bare pretext to express hatred of Jews for quality you hate because you clearly don't feel it in your own identity and that is pride.

Now you see "Hudson Jones" it doesn't surprise me one bit someone unable to express or admit his own true identity would call someone proud of their identity as a tribal zealot. Makes perfect sense.

Now Mr. Jones, you can continue to attack me personally while running to the moderator complaining about me but this thread is spent.

Your hatred for me arising from your own self loathing is right smack dab there in the last words and I have only one last thing to say to

you as you try to mask your self loathing taunting me-HAH.

[Hudson Jones]

If it's this important to you what my background is, then just say so. No need to get hysterical about it.

My Mother's side is Irish and Scottish and father's side is English and German. Apparently there is some Jewish blood on my father's side, but we haven't really looked deeply into it.

Now back to the topic at hand, before you exploded into yet another emotional drivel:

There are many Jews who are against Israel's occupation, colonialism and the terrible treatment of the Palestinians. Speaking out against Israel's bad policies is criticism of Israel's bad policies. They're not against Jews. It doesn't matter how much you try to shut down conversation about Israel, by obsessively flashing the anti-semite card, it's not going to work.

Look at these Jews, who understand that Israel and aggressive, warmongering Zionists do not represent them. You could learn a few things from them:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWo5CBNe5LU

[Rue]

Look at these Jews? Really? Oh look, now Hudson Jones will dictate to me what a good and a bad Jew is.

Lol.

You have no clue but the more you respond the more you reduce yourself to a pathetic bigot..what Hudson...a Jew must agree with you to be acceptable?

Lol.

Yassub massuh az gonna change mah ways and go get you yoh slippers.

[Rocky Road]

If it's this important to you what my background is, then just say so. No need to get hysterical about it.

My Mother's side is Irish and Scottish and father's side is English and German. Apparently there is some Jewish blood on my father's side, but we haven't really looked deeply into it.

Now back to the topic at hand, before you exploded into yet another emotional drivel:

There are many Jews who are against Israel's occupation, colonialism and the terrible treatment of the Palestinians. Speaking out against Israel's bad policies is criticism of Israel's bad policies. They're not against Jews. It doesn't matter how much you try to shut down conversation about Israel, by obsessively flashing the anti-semite card, it's not going to work.

Look at these Jews, who understand that Israel and aggressive, warmongering Zionists do not represent them. You could learn a few things from them:

hmmm. Something is fishy.

www.richarddawkins.net

[GostHacked]

Look at these Jews? Really? Oh look, now Hudson Jones will dictate to me what a good and a bad Jew is.

Lol.

You have no clue but the more you respond the more you reduce yourself to a pathetic bigot..what Hudson...a Jew must agree with you to be acceptable?

Lol.

Yassub massuh az gonna change mah ways and go get you yoh slippers.

That last line was pathetic.

[Rue]

That last line was pathetic.

What is pathetic is the pack of you thinking you can tell anyone who is good or bad or where there place is on this planet.

Pathetic is your bigotry that thinks you can patronize Jews and tell us who is acceptable and who is not acceptable to you.

Pathetic you bet.

[Rocky Road]

Honestly what good is religion if it creates hate & war?

[bud]

What is pathetic is the pack of you thinking you can tell anyone who is good or bad or where there place is on this planet.

Pathetic is your bigotry that thinks you can patronize Jews and tell us who is acceptable and who is not acceptable to you.

Pathetic you bet.

your sensitivity is not an excuse for people not to call you on your tribalism and zealotry.

we are all part of the human race and we all should treat each other with respect. what better way to make sure we do this by having human rights laws. unfortunately, israel continues to violate these human rights laws against the palestinians and other minority groups, simply because they are not jewish.

[Rue]

Rocky-I think organized religion is for the most part used to control people or be used as a weapon to justify killing people.

I don't like organized religions for that reason.

On the other hand faith is like anything else in the hands of humans. It can be used for positive or negative.

All depends on who owns the dog not the dog itself.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Rue

[bleeding heart]

Rocky-I think organized religion is for the most part used to control people or be used as a weapon to justify killing people.

I don't like organized religions for that reason.

On the other hand faith is like anything else in the hands of humans. It can be used for positive or negative.

All depends on who owns the dog not the dog itself.

Fair enough.

[Rocky Road]

Ya thats a fair assessment.

Fanatics and zealots are worrisome.

[Rue]

Unless they are Roughrider fans Rocky. Congrats.

[Rocky Road]

Lol

[Rocky Road]

http://www.nationalpost.com/m/wp/blog.html?b=sports.nationalpost.com/2013/11/24/grey-cup-2013-saskatchewan-roughriders-coronation-at-hamilton-tiger-cats-expense-feels-like-spring-in-more-ways-than-one

Certainly a lot of fans happy about this one.

[Rocky Road]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=84_mtdC7-hg&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D84_mtdC7-hg%26feature%3Dyoutu.be

What do you think of Brad Wall?

[GostHacked]

Here is more on the Bedu

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25170855

Bedouin Arabs living in Israel have been protesting in the Negev Desert and towns and cities over government plans to resettle them.

Thousands joined what was termed a "day of rage" in the Negev itself, Haifa, Jerusalem, the West Bank and Gaza.

The Bedouin say the plan will force them out of their ancestral land.

Even if they get forced out they can simply take over a part of the area and claim it as their own anyways.

Israeli officials say it aims to provide better services and infrastructure - and settle long-standing land disputes.

Police in the Negev used tear gas and water cannon against demonstrators, some of whom were throwing stones, reportedly injuring 15 officers.

Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports that 28 people were arrested during protests in Haifa and the Negev village of Hura.

The resettlement plan - which envisages Bedouin being re-housed in newly built state-planned towns - still has to pass two more readings in parliament.

The better thing to do is not to relocate them but to help improve the infrastructure and have them remain there. Hard to collect taxes from a population that does not use any government infrastructure

Before the creation of the state of Israel in 1948, groups of Bedouin Arabs lived a semi-nomadic life in the Negev but in modern times many have settled in what are known as "unrecognised villages".

Because they have no formal planning status, they have no access to government services including supplies of electricity and running water. Some are no more than collections of flimsy shacks made from corrugated iron.

Unrecognized means that these people hold no title to the land that Israel as a governing body recognizes.

[Rue]

Just to clarify what unrecognized villages meant. Beduins like our aboriginal peoples in North America or Australia or animistic peoples in Africa didn't have land titles-they did not perceive the land they were on as being "owned". That land is part of a living organism called earth that they share not own. They see their lives as temporarily sharing the earth and then passing on.

This idea of "owning" it in the modern Western law sense does not equate. Even in the Farsi language as well as Arabic and Hebrew there is no equivalent word for "private property".

Owning property with an exclusive right to keep some or all others off is a fairly new concept in terms of overall history.

Beduins in the beginning of Israel would not want land titles. They would keep moving. So they were not taxed. They had no permanent homes so setting up roads, sewage, schools, made no sense and this is why they were not recognized in the conventional legal sense. However Israeli law and in fact unwritten constitutional law recognized the right of Beduins to passage and still does.

Israel has the same problem as all the Sharia law states with Beduins and Canada and the US have with our aboriginals-what to do with conflicting concepts of land possession and ownership.

In every Arab country that has tried to relocate Beduins to large city dwellings two things have happened. The younger generation moves in and cut off from their ancient ways, they become confused and fail to assimilate in the greater urban mosaic and yes they have the same issues as our aboriginals, substance abuse, petty crimes, violence, suicide.

In Israel it gets even more complicated because generous child benefits to Beduins which no other country gives them has resulted in the highest birth rate of any people in the world including Beduins in Arab countries. Just the benefits alone equate to higher social status then anywhere else in the Middle East.

The previous generation of Beduins can not sit still. You can not house them in cement buildings. Their blood will not allow it. Something drives them to keep moving. I have seen it with my own eyes. Its no different than caging a wolf at the zoo. It will pace back and forth until its set free.

The Israeli solution is no different then what Arab countries did and are doing and why there was a recent class in Egypt for the exact same reasons.

All countries of the Middle East with Beduin people, not just Israel have a huge problem on their hands with these people and its just one of so many sub-issues in a world of land possession conflict.

Creeping Middle East urbanization is a direct existential threat to Beduins.

I think what will happen is they will maladjust to Israeli society as they have in the Arab countries and suffer similar issues

as our aboriginal peoples. Trying to find a way to reconcile different legal systems and parallel lifestyles will be a challenge

in a part of the world that has severe water and security issues.

Beduins are going to clash with any and all of their host countries.

In Israel they plan to earmark 20% of within Israel1967 borders for Beduins in the zones they are building but they are

really a modern version of reservations.

It is a sad and complex issue no one has come up with a solution for.

Beduins who assimilate will move on. Those who refuse to assimilate will suffer friction and associated hardship.

Unfortunately countries can not be all things to all people.

[bud]

while rue tries to explain and justify yet another racist act by these ugly zionists, we should consider how we, as canadians would feel if the canadian government suddenly decided to forcibly move a group of natives from where they have been living for centuries, into a small, closed off area. this, without even consulting with them and while tearing their homes, every time they put them up.

come to think of it. this did happen over a century ago and we're still apologizing for the inhumane way we treated them.

here is what one israeli civil rights organization says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10_pcJ3u8oU

[Rue]

while rue tries to explain and justify yet another racist act by these ugly zionists, we should consider how we, as canadians would feel if the canadian government suddenly decided to forcibly move a group of natives from where they have been living for centuries, into a small, closed off area. this, without even consulting with them and while tearing their homes, every time they put them up.

come to think of it. this did happen over a century ago and we're still apologizing for the inhumane way we treated them.

here is what one israeli civil rights organization says:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10_pcJ3u8oU

We as Canadians? Who is "we" Bud? Since when are you a "we" and since when are you speaking on behalf of Canadians?

Where do you get off thinking you can rally Canadians against Israel without disclosing your ethnicity and religion and connection to Iran so people can see if you have a bias no different than the one you accuse me of?

Better still, why if you are in fact Canadian as you claim you would ask such a question?

All you have done is proven Israel is faced with no different a problem than Canada, the US or Australia now has with its aboriginal people, precisely the point I made.

Why do you refuse to acknowledge this issue is happening in the exact same manner not just in Canada but in Morrocco, Algeria, Tunisia, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Oman, Kuwait?

Busted again Bud.

Edited December 4, 2013 by Rue

[bud]

We as Canadians? Who is "we" Bud? Since when are you a "we" and since when are you speaking on behalf of Canadians?

we as in canadians.

All you have done is proven Israel is faced with no different a problem than Canada, the US or Australia now has with its aboriginal people, precisely the point I made.

with the clear rules and laws we have when it comes to human rights and the moral standards we have set for ourselves in the west, canada would not accept what it did back then and it would never happen in this day and age.

so you have proven my point by admitting that israel is engaging in immoral and illegal behaviour with the way it is treating the natives of the land.

[Rue]

Bud your tactic is again failing. No one has questioned whether Beduins are facing displacement in Arab countries and Israel and suffering from a complex issue of an ancient culture coming into conflict with modern urbanization. No one.

What you have been challenged on by me, is not that Beduins are experiencing severe hardship and challenges but that you choose only to criticize their situation in Israel while ignoring all the other Arab nations with the indentical problem.

Interestingly you also choose to criticize the only country with Beduins who gives them compensation for their displacement, Israel.

Bud, you have zero credibility precisely because of your selectivity and tactic of using the suffering of others as a pretext to bash Israel. You ignore the full issue. You will only discuss it if it can be used to bash Israel.

That is what you were challenged on.

You Bud proved nothing about Beduins. Their situation is there for anyone to find.

What you have demonstrated is how you use them for Israel bashing thereby making a mockery of their situation justa syou do the aboriginals in Canada. They are all just things you throw out if you think they can be used to bash Israel.

You don't speak for Canadians, Beduins, Palestinians or anyone else's suffering you attach your anti Israel mantra to.

You are busted Bud.

Get back to me with the thesis and your ethnicity and religion.

You want to rally Canadians to hate Israel using Beduins-Bud?

You might want to start by writing a thesis.

[DogOnPorch]

Bud's goons are in the news.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/11/29/jewish-weekly-publishes-audio-of-elizabeth-may-interview-after-she-accuses-them-of-twisting-her-words/

[bud]

as much as you want to make it sound like i'm so closely associated with cjpme, i'm not. but whatever, i don't care. you've tried to associate me with hamas and hezbollah before, so as you know, i'm a man with many many connections.

that said, i do support cjpme's position on sanctioning any israeli company in the west bank or who works with the illegal jewish settlements. this is inline with what the EU guidelines which are scheduled to start in january.

since these jewish settlements are illegal and are violating international law, i'd like to show support for international law.

[DogOnPorch]

Dear casual reader: note the web link in bud's signature.

[Rue]

Dear casual reader: note the web link in bud's signature.

www. BUSTEDAGAIN . com