guyser Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) This is patently false....medical bankruptcies do occur in Canada. Nice try. First off, you have an comprehension problem, because medical healthcare costs is what I said. You reply medical bankruptcies. So this is where I should put the ' nice try' huh? Secondly your link asserts exactly the opposite of what you are trying, and failing to assert. Maybe you should have read the link instead of furiously scrambling for anything that could have helped you? But didnt? Nice pathetic try ! Edited January 13, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 First off, you have an comprehension problem, because medical healthcare costs is what I said. You reply medical bankruptcies. So this is where I should put the ' nice try' huh? Don't get so upset...medical bankrupticies do occur in Canada, reported at 15% by a Canadian study. I applaud the staunch and even cute defense of Canada's single payer health care system no matter what, but it does not preclude financial ruin because of medical costs in all cases. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted January 13, 2014 Author Report Posted January 13, 2014 First off, you have an comprehension problem, because medical healthcare costs is what I said. You reply medical bankruptcies. So this is where I should put the ' nice try' huh? Secondly your link asserts exactly the opposite of what you are trying, and failing to assert. Maybe you should have read the link instead of furiously scrambling for anything that could have helped you? But didnt?Nice pathetic try ! Go start your own topic and stop hijacking mine. This about Obamacare. Quote
guyser Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Don't get so upset...medical bankrupticies do occur in Canada, reported at 15% by a Canadian study. I applaud the staunch and even cute defense of Canada's single payer health care system no matter what, but it does not preclude financial ruin because of medical costs in all cases. Sadly your link, despite your assertion , says nothing of the sort. Go ahead, show us. Upset? Please,the ignorance on your part thats amusing. Quote
guyser Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Go start your own topic and stop hijacking mine. This about Obamacare. Yea....shady about that 'hijacking'....if you read along, or could, you'd have found it wasnt me who hijacked it. Cry somewhere else. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 Sadly your link, despite your assertion , says nothing of the sort. Go ahead, show us. Upset? Please,the ignorance on your part thats amusing. Sadly ? Please stop hijacking this thread ! Tell us all about Obamacare instead. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
guyser Posted January 13, 2014 Report Posted January 13, 2014 (edited) Sadly ? Please stop hijacking this thread ! Tell us all about Obamacare instead. Yes, sadly...for you. Perhaps you will, at some time in the future (or not), look and see your link has no bearing on your silly assertion. Edited January 13, 2014 by Guyser2 Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 Sadly your link, despite your assertion , says nothing of the sort. Go ahead, show us. Upset? Please,the ignorance on your part thats amusing. He gets his info from "Snopes" Need we say more? Quote
guyser Posted January 14, 2014 Report Posted January 14, 2014 He gets his info from "Snopes" Need we say more? Dont be hatin' on Snopes, they have a great record for dealing with hoaxes, lies and myths. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Jimmy Kimmel continues his relentless assault against the ACA (Obamacare) : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAK4TCe965k Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
dre Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Another factor that I'm sure who infuriate the American way of thinking is that you could go years with perfect health...not drawing a dime, so to speak...while you pay for other folks OCD visits to the ER etc over a hang nail. Why would the basic concept of an insurance pool infuriate Americans? You might have a perfect driving record and being paying for drunks and wreckless drivers. You might have never had your house burn down, and be paying for smokers or people with crappy wiring. You might have have any trees in your yard but youre paying for people who do through your house insurance. Why in the hell would such a basic concept infuriate people? And why on earth would you say this a problem for the "american way of thinking" when Americans have such a rich tradition of pooling risk in about a zillion different ways. Jesus... Edited January 16, 2014 by dre Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
On Guard for Thee Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Why would the basic concept of an insurance pool infuriate Americans? You might have a perfect driving record and being paying for drunks and wreckless drivers. You might have never had your house burn down, and be paying for smokers or people with crappy wiring. You might have have any trees in your yard but youre paying for people who do through your house insurance. Why in the hell would such a basic concept infuriate people? And why on earth would you say this a problem for the "american way of thinking" when Americans have such a rich tradition of pooling risk in about a zillion different ways. Jesus... I once had a chat with a woman while waiting for a plane at Sea-Tac. Upon hearinf I was Canadian she asked me my thoughts on our health care, which I did briefly. Her most poignant comment was to the effect that she didn't want to pay into a system that benefited anyone else but her. Now from a structural stance pertaining to any kind of insurance system we know how unworkable that idea is. However it did underscore at least one portion of American thinking that seems to look for a "socialist" under every rock. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Americans have paid into "social insurance" programs for many decades (Social Security and Medicare) through payroll taxes, and also fund state and federal Medicaid programs for means tested applicants. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 Why would the basic concept of an insurance pool infuriate Americans? You might have a perfect driving record and being paying for drunks and wreckless drivers. You might have never had your house burn down, and be paying for smokers or people with crappy wiring. You might have have any trees in your yard but youre paying for people who do through your house insurance. Why in the hell would such a basic concept infuriate people? And why on earth would you say this a problem for the "american way of thinking" when Americans have such a rich tradition of pooling risk in about a zillion different ways. Jesus... It's not about basic concepts of insurance. It's about being lied to. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 It's not about basic concepts of insurance. It's about being lied to. Yes...it's about the lies, less choice, higher taxes, and unnecessary coverage. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 Yes...it's about the lies, less choice, higher taxes, and unnecessary coverage.Quite right. I guess it's easier for people to set up strawmen and to feign outrage. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Yes...it's about the lies, less choice, higher taxes, and unnecessary coverage. Atta boy. Keep that damn socialized, communist system at bay down there. The private for profit system shares I have are making me money. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Atta boy. Keep that damn socialized, communist system at bay down there. The private for profit system shares I have are making me money. Fine by me....we make a lot of money from Canadians going to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted January 16, 2014 Author Report Posted January 16, 2014 Atta boy. Keep that damn socialized, communist system at bay down there. The private for profit system shares I have are making me money. Nobody here is talking about communism. You're acting absurd. Quote
jacee Posted January 16, 2014 Report Posted January 16, 2014 Don't get so upset...medical bankrupticies do occur in Canada, reported at 15% by a Canadian study. Because of income loss due to medical conditions, not due to medical costs. Your link doesn't support your allegations ... but you just perpetrate a lie anyway. I applaud the staunch and even cute defense of Canada's single payer health care system no matter what, but it does not preclude financial ruin because of medical costs in all cases.You have not provided any evidence of that.Show me 1 case where medical costs caused a bankruptcy in Canada. Or are you just trolling as usual? . Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 Fine by me....we make a lot of money from Canadians going to the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, MN. And we make a lot of money from Americans crossing the border to buy their drugs instead of paying Phizer some crazy profit margin's. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 And we make a lot of money from Americans crossing the border to buy their drugs instead of paying Phizer some crazy profit margin's. Less since Medicare Part D, and much of Canada's pharma comes from the U.S. anyway. Canadians have a prescription drug insurance program, right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 (edited) You have not provided any evidence of that. Show me 1 case where medical costs caused a bankruptcy in Canada. Or are you just trolling as usual? . You refuse to acknowledge your own government's report that describes medical bankruptcies. Obviously it would be easy to find 1 case, because patients under age 65 can be clobbered by some medical costs that are not covered. Taxes and fees to pay for "free health care" also contribute to bankruptcies. Obamacare has given Americans more taxes (penalties) and fees. Edited January 17, 2014 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
On Guard for Thee Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 Less since Medicare Part D, and much of Canada's pharma comes from the U.S. anyway. Canadians have a prescription drug insurance program, right ? Some Canadians do but it's not an integral part of , and I'm only goinhg to try to educate you one more time, the "socialized" health insurance system. It's not "free" as you seem to not be able to wrap your head around. We have limits different than the US on how long drug patents can last. For instance I don't have to buy aspirin from Bayer. I can buy no name ASA for much less. Same stuff, just cheaper. Apparently we currently sell about a billion worth of legal drugs to US citizens. Quote
On Guard for Thee Posted January 17, 2014 Report Posted January 17, 2014 You refuse to acknowledge your own government's report that describes medical bankruptcies. Obviously it would be easy to find 1 case, because patients under age 65 can be clobbered by some medical costs that are not covered. Taxes and fees to pay for "free health care" also contribute to bankruptcies. Obamacare has given Americans more taxes (penalties) and fees. Where did you cook up this idea that age 65 makes a difference to health care? Quote
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