The Truth About Obamacare

bush_cheney2004 · January 17, 2014

Where did you cook up this idea that age 65 makes a difference to health care?

It makes a difference for prescription drug benefits. Obamacare also impacts such benefits, changing coverage from existing plans.

dre · January 17, 2014

It's not about basic concepts of insurance. It's about being lied to.

No the post I replied to wasnt about that at all. Try to follow along bud.

Shady · February 10, 2014

Great cartoon related to the new non-partisan congressional budget office report, citing that over 2 million less people will be working as a result of Obamacare. And that's on top of the already 30 year low in labour participation.

waldo · February 10, 2014

Great cartoon related to the new non-partisan congressional budget office report, citing that over 2 million less people will be working as a result of Obamacare.

surely not another of your half-truths, right? Are you claiming the CBO report states Obamacare will cause 2 million people to lose their jobs... and in/over what time period?

WestCoastRunner · February 10, 2014

This article explains it better than Shady's fear mongering.

No, CBO did not say Obamacare will kill 2 million jobs

“The estimated reduction stems almost entirely from a net decline in the amount of labor that workers choose to supply, rather than from a net drop in businesses’ demand for labor, so it will appear almost entirely as a reduction in labor force participation and in hours worked relative to what would have occurred otherwise rather than as an increase in unemployment (that is, more workers seeking but not finding jobs) or underemployment (such as part-time workers who would prefer to work more hours per week).”

waldo · February 10, 2014

This article explains it better than Shady's fear mongering.

hey now... I was leading Shady your way! You sprung it too soon! It's always more rewarding to get Shady to first reinforce and double-down on his half-truth comments/references. Patience is a virtue!

WestCoastRunner · February 10, 2014

:lol:

cybercoma · February 10, 2014

The fact that employers can cut employees hours to circumvent Obamacare is ludicrous. This is why Obamacare is a piss poor substitute for universal single-payer health insurance.

bush_cheney2004 · February 10, 2014

The Americans already have single payer health care insurance (e.g. Medicare for seniors), but rejected universal access for several reasons. The ACA (Obamacare) is recognition of that political reality.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sallypipes/2014/02/03/obamacare-is-awful-but-single-payer-health-care-is-worse/2/

Edited February 10, 2014 by bush_cheney2004

Shady · February 10, 2014

Obama decides to unilaterally delay the employer mandate for another year. Where's that written in the law? Where is he pulling this legislative power from? Out of his ass? This guy is an abomination to the constitution and the legislative process. His lawlessness knows no bounds.

waldo · February 11, 2014

Obama decides to unilaterally delay the employer mandate for another year. Where's that written in the law? Where is he pulling this legislative power from? Out of his ass? This guy is an abomination to the constitution and the legislative process. His lawlessness knows no bounds.

:lol: see U.S. Treasury Department... see U.S. Treasury Secretary... see U.S. tax code... see longstanding authority of Treasury Secretary to grant transition relief during a period of new legislation implementation.

Shady · February 11, 2014

see U.S. Treasury Department... see U.S. Treasury Secretary... see U.S. tax code... see longstanding authority of Treasury Secretary to grant transition relief during a period of new legislation implementation.

Transition relief isn't akin to changing the law. Remember, it's the law if the land! Except when Dumbo decides it isn't.

waldo · February 11, 2014

as you parrot yet another of your wingnut sites, you claim "Obama broke the law"... you claim constitutional and legislative infringement! You claim a lot yet, per your norm, you don't substantiate anything. The U.S. IRS, through tax code provision authority, regularly offers 'transition relief' in the implementation of new laws.

Shady · February 11, 2014

as you parrot yet another of your wingnut sites, you claim "Obama broke the law"... you claim constitutional and legislative infringement! You claim a lot yet, per your norm, you don't substantiate anything. The U.S. IRS, through tax code provision authority, regularly offers 'transition relief' in the implementation of new laws.

Nope. Constitutional scholars like Jonathan Turley have had serious problems with his constitutional butt wiping. But I actually like his new delay. He's completely screwing over the Dem nominee in 2016, when it kicks back in, just in time for the fall election! Lol.

waldo · February 11, 2014

Nope.

is this you now peeling away from your claims of "lawlessness" concerning the Ocare small-business deployment delay? You know, where you stated, "Obama decides to unilaterally delay the employer mandate for another year. Where's that written in the law? Where is he pulling this legislative power from? Out of his ass?"... Do you ever actually check to confirm the nonsense you keep pulling from your wingnut sites? As for your bigger picture concerns over Obama's "excessive powers", who cares... certainly not me, a Canadian. Other than it fuelling your ODS, why would you, as a described Canadian, personally care?

WestCoastRunner · February 11, 2014

The fact that employers can cut employees hours to circumvent Obamacare is ludicrous. This is why Obamacare is a piss poor substitute for universal single-payer health insurance.

Obamacare is just a forerunner to universal single-payer health insurance. It is only a matter of time.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapothecary/2013/08/10/sen-harry-reid-obamacare-absolutely-a-step-toward-a-single-payer-system/

bush_cheney2004 · February 11, 2014

Nope....the ACA (Obamacare) just continues the existing patchwork of government (taxpayer funded) and private health insurance. Welcome to the club Obamacare !

On Guard for Thee · February 12, 2014

Nope....the ACA (Obamacare) just continues the existing patchwork of government (taxpayer funded) and private health insurance. Welcome to the club Obamacare !

I'm so glad that here in Canada we got this all figured out over 50 years ago.

Argus · February 14, 2014

Go start your own topic and stop hijacking mine. This about Obamacare.

Is this just a topic to rant pointlessly about Obamacare? Don't you need to have an alternative before you can criticize a program?

GostHacked · February 14, 2014

So if we fol;low that "logic" and I hesitate to call it that, then if you don't now have cancer you shouldn't buy cancer insurance.

I'll back Shady up on this. He clearly states that if a person is single (like me)they do not require maternity coverage. Now if I find someone to have kids with then that obviously changes one should have the option to buy into that specific coverage. So you'd be paying for something that does not apply to you otherwise.

Shady is simply saying that a lot of insurance items should be optional and customized around your life/lifestyle.

Cancer insurance may be required as 1 out of 3 will contract cancer in one form or another. So based on those odds, it would be mandatory. But if you don't want cancer coverage, then you should not be forced into it. But you should be aware of the costs of health care if you do not consider insurance and you do get sick.

On Guard for Thee · February 14, 2014

I'll back Shady up on this. He clearly states that if a person is single (like me)they do not require maternity coverage. Now if I find someone to have kids with then that obviously changes one should have the option to buy into that specific coverage. So you'd be paying for something that does not apply to you otherwise.

Shady is simply saying that a lot of insurance items should be optional and customized around your life/lifestyle.

Cancer insurance may be required as 1 out of 3 will contract cancer in one form or another. So based on those odds, it would be mandatory. But if you don't want cancer coverage, then you should not be forced into it. But you should be aware of the costs of health care if you do not consider insurance and you do get sick.

I do see the logic in all that as you've laid it out especially the maternity issue. I guess being lucky enough to be from Canada I think it a bit bizare to have to try and second guess what type of ailments I may or may not have to face.

bush_cheney2004 · February 14, 2014

I do see the logic in all that as you've laid it out especially the maternity issue. I guess being lucky enough to be from Canada I think it a bit bizare to have to try and second guess what type of ailments I may or may not have to face.

Aren't males from Canada able to figure out if they will become pregnant or not ?

On Guard for Thee · February 14, 2014

Aren't males from Canada able to figure out if they will become pregnant or not ?

We just have a little problem knowing if we'll get cancer or not.

WestCoastRunner · February 15, 2014

That's the beauty of universal health care. Everyone is covered for whatever ails them. No need to worry about what coverage you will need or when. Sooner or later, universal health care will take the place of obamacare.

bush_cheney2004 · February 15, 2014

That's the beauty of universal health care. Everyone is covered for whatever ails them. No need to worry about what coverage you will need or when. Sooner or later, universal health care will take the place of obamacare.

Nope.....some procedures are not covered by provincial health care...and this varies province to province. For instance, lap band surgery is not currently covered by OHIP. The U.S. will not implement Canada's version of universal health care, as far better public/private options are available.

Edited February 15, 2014 by bush_cheney2004