bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 I would assume that its kind of common knowledge, Im not Jewish either but I knew it. Anyhow...here... No good, Guyser2. If you don't post a picture, then facts don't exist. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Sure, for the paranoid, Cybercoma is a closet ultraconservative who wishes women had second-class status. b] nothing Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
guyser Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 No good, Guyser2. If you don't post a picture, then facts don't exist. W some maybe, DoP isnt one of those posters. Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 b] nothing Exactly so. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 W some maybe, DoP isnt one of those posters. No I'm not. You made the claim re: synagogues...I'm not saying you're incorrect. But, I CAN show you pictures of segregation in mosques...and did with a PM hopeful participating willfully. You can not, apparently. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Exactly so. As long as the women are clear on your position. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 W some maybe, DoP isnt one of those posters. Sure he is. See above. You provided him a link about segregation in synagogues...and he's still an agnostic on the issue...because you have failed to post a picture, a terrible failing in your argument, evidently. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 As long as the women are clear on your position. As some women know, I am fond of several positions. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) I would assume that its kind of common knowledge, Im not Jewish either but I knew it. Anyhow...here... Question: Why do men and women sit separately at traditional Jewish services? Answer: All Jewish practices have their simple reasons as well as deeper, more spiritual explanations. One obvious benefit of separate seating in a synagogue is that it helps ensure that the main focus is on the prayers and not on the opposite gender. There is no question that we don't act the same in a mixed crowd as we do in a same-gender one. There is nothing wrong with that. It is good and healthy that we are attracted to each other, but during prayers we shouldn't be trying to impress anyone other than G-d. In addition to that, a synagogue should be a welcoming and inclusive place. No one should feel left out. Many single people feel extremely uncomfortable at a function or event at which everyone seems to be with a partner except them. No one should ever feel this way at a synagogue. When men and women sit separately, there is no discrimination between singles and couples. (There will always be a chance for singles to mingle afterwards at the Kiddush!) But it goes deeper than that. Women and men are very different beings. Not only are we physically different; our thought processes, emotional states and psychology are all different. This is because our souls are different - they come from complementary but opposite sources. The prayer experience is supposed to be an opportunity to be with your true self, to communicate with your soul. Men and women need space from each other to help them become intuned to their higher selves. Ironically, it is by sitting separately in prayer that we are able to truly come together in the other areas of our lives; because it is only when both male and female spiritual energies are allowed to flourish that we are complete as individuals, families and a community. http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/160962/jewish/Separation-in-the-Synagogue.htm With you there. I know what you are saying, however I woulddebate that Islam is doing the atrocities, Islamics in the name of Islam is another thing altogether and prob were would agree. Christians doing the terrorizing in the name of christ are as bad, just a whole lot less of them. Again...like you, I'm not Jewish. Nor am I Christian. The photo I provided shows men and women sitting together. If Jews are treating women in Canada as 2nd class citizens, I'm against it. I'm not just going to take your word for it. If it is prevalent...or even somewhat uncommon, there should be some actual evidence of it. As for your Islam isn't to blame...BS. Where do you think it all comes from? A cartoon brings millions into the streets looking for blood yet stand in silence when the heads start to roll. You can't buy a 'moderate' Quran. As some women know, I am fond of several positions. A sexist comment...beautiful. Edited August 20, 2013 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 A sexist comment...beautiful. If you think sex is "sexist" then you're beyond help. I suggest electroshock therapy. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Hamilton, Ontario. I'm seeing woman and men together. In my particular city, only the mosque is segregated. Can you provide some similar visual of a Canadian synagogue showing segregation along sexual lines? As well, it's always amusing when a poster counters a negative with ANOTHER negative. Unless you thought I am Jewish...which I'm not. Then it's something else... Orthodox Jewish synagogues have gender separated seating. Here's a link to a Toronto synagogue and the debate over the partition (called a mehitzah) that keeps men and women from intermingling. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 If you think sex is "sexist" then you're beyond help. I suggest electroshock therapy. No that you think women in general and MLW posters in particular would care about your sexual proclivities is sexist. Keep it in your pants. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 (edited) What do you think should be done? a] something b] nothing Trudeau gave his answer already... What do you think should be done? Presumably something since you are banging on about it. But what? Edited August 20, 2013 by Black Dog Quote
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Orthodox Jewish synagogues have gender separated seating. Here's a link to a Toronto synagogue and the debate over the partition (called a mehitzah) that keeps men and women from intermingling. Still no photograph. So DoP can't in good conscience believe it. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 No that you think women in general and MLW posters in particular would care about your sexual proclivities is sexist. No it's not. You see, words, including "sexist," have actual denotations and connotations...which can be easily found out. Give it a try! Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Orthodox Jewish synagogues have gender separated seating. Here's a link to a Toronto synagogue and the debate over the partition (called a mehitzah) that keeps men and women from intermingling. Yet their website shows men and women openly intermingling. Again...those darn photos. The debate was in 2004...seems something was decided. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Where in Canada is that again? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Still no photograph. So DoP can't in good conscience believe it. Their own website...the link BD provided...shows folks...men and women...intermingling. Again...I find it quite amusing you fellows rush to defend a negative with another negative. Or at least you give it a good go...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Yet their website shows men and women openly intermingling. Again...those darn photos. The debate was in 2004...seems something was decided. As the link made clear it was decided to build a mechitzah to better demarcate the women's section from the men's and "limit the sense of frivolity that often occurs, and thereby enhance the sanctity and reverence of the service." Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 What do you think should be done? Presumably something since you are banging on about it. But what? What does Canada's laws say about the equality of men and women? No more than that...don't you agree? As the link made clear it was decided to build a mechitzah to better demarcate the women's section from the men's and "limit the sense of frivolity that often occurs, and thereby enhance the sanctity and reverence of the service." Yet more current photos clearly show men and women together...boys and girls together. It's cats laying down with dogs over there at that temple! Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bleeding heart Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Their own website...the link BD provided...shows folks...men and women...intermingling. Again...I find it quite amusing you fellows rush to defend a negative with another negative. Or at least you give it a good go...lol. You must consider it pretty sexist. lol. Quote “There is a limit to how much we can constantly say no to the political masters in Washington. All we had was Afghanistan to wave. On every other file we were offside. Eventually we came onside on Haiti, so we got another arrow in our quiver." --Bill Graham, Former Canadian Foreign Minister, 2007
guyser Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 I dont think anynone, not me for sure, is defedning the practice of segregation DoP. I wanted to point out that Islam is not the only ones who do that . You wanted to castigate a particular religion for that and I showed it should be spread around. Quote
Black Dog Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 What does Canada's laws say about the equality of men and women? No more than that...don't you agree? Answer the question. Yet more current photos clearly show men and women together...boys and girls together. It's cats laying down with dogs over there at that temple! Intermingling in what capacity? Certainly not during services. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted August 20, 2013 Report Posted August 20, 2013 Answer the question. Intermingling in what capacity? Certainly not during services. I did...what does the law say? That's what I think should be done. Care to show a photo of them praying? No? From their current legal policies regarding human rights...from the link you provided... Harassment “Engaging in a course of vexatious comment or conduct that is known or ought reasonably to be known to be unwelcome.” (Ontario Human Rights Code, R.S.O. 1990, c. H19, S. 10(1)) Conduct which constitutes harassment is abusive and/or offensive behaviour, such as ethnic, racist or sexist slurs, misuse of authority, suggestive remarks, physical advances or intimidation, sexual or otherwise. Discrimination Someone in authority or with responsibility treating one person less favourably than others, or providing less favourable service to that person because of race, ancestry, place of origin, colour, ethnic origin, citizenship, creed, sex, sexual orientation, handicap, age, marital and family status or record of offences. (Ontario Human Rights Code, R.S.O. 1990, c. H19, S. (1)). Every employee, volunteer and member of the Congregation is entitled under the Code to equal employment opportunity without discrimination on any of the grounds above. Because we are an Orthodox Jewish organization, certain precepts of our religion prevail over the anti-discrimination provisions of the Code. The Code explicitly recognizes this fact. However, except to the extent that our religious principles require, we are committed to ensuring that the Congregation fully adheres to the rights established in the Code. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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