Harper Prorogation Part III

[PIK]

Harper is doing the only thing he really knows how to do regarding government: shut it down! After all he holds the record. And not just for prorouguing but also for using closure. And he didn't stop there, no sir, he racked up the legacy of being the only PM ever to be found in contempt of parliament. The silver lining in the cloud is that he is staying on as leader for the next election. With the baggage he already has, and that which will rack up when he finally does have to deal with the myriad of scandals, it should be fairly easy to have them sent back to the doldrums so we can begin to repair the damage they have done.

He does not hold any record---see #9 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22966-harper-prorogation-part-iii/

And I just don't get all the BS of scandals, what has happen to his gov is nothing compared to the others and he will be the next PM. Canadians are not stupid enough to elect the boy wonder. Thank god he is our leader, just imagine what our debt would have been if the coalition of the idiots would have gotten hold of power.

[Topaz]

It's not a vacation. Members' work is not limited to sitting in the House.

Exactly what do they do?? Oh, yeah, go to communites festivals, coffee shops, try to avoid the press, etc.

[PIK]

Yes, that's right. I meant life of a parliament; i.e. the time it's consituted between elections. But, even so, it seems that what I said was incorrect; a throne speech is read when parliament reconvenes after a prorogation. My apologies to PIK.

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Never worry about apologizing to me, I screw up more then anyone. lol

[PIK]

Exactly what do they do?? Oh, yeah, go to communites festivals, coffee shops, try to avoid the press, etc.

And why not?? Screw the press, who made them kings?? If we had a fair and balance press they would be alot more respected then they are now. And the MP's job is to be out with the people learning what their needs are ,not playing games with the press.

[cybercoma]

The press in Canada is pretty well respected. Look at how many thousands of Canadians have come to the defence of CBC. Nevertheless, respecting the press doesn't mean that they're fair and balanced. I'm sure North Koreans "respect" their press. In fact, I know they do. The ones that don't disappear.

[PIK]

The press in Canada is pretty well respected. Look at how many thousands of Canadians have come to the defence of CBC. Nevertheless, respecting the press doesn't mean that they're fair and balanced. I'm sure North Koreans "respect" their press. In fact, I know they do. The ones that don't disappear.

I don't think so, they have lost alot of respectiblity in the last years. What the TO Star has done to ford has been a major part of the press losing respect. The media has become waaaay to big and to many reporters trying to make a name for themselves with the big stories and then that is where is gets out of control.

[guyser]

I don't think so, they have lost alot of respectiblity in the last years. What the TO Star has done to ford has been a major part of the press losing respect. The media has become waaaay to big and to many reporters trying to make a name for themselves with the big stories and then that is where is gets out of control.

Of course partisan players never would understand , nor take the time, to review the facts of whats out there. Not so much the facts of a video or such, but the facts of Mayor Ford and his horrible ability to keep his nose clean.

Hell , in the last week, he has been drunk at a street festival , gone to a jail after closing hours to see about some criminal friend of his, had his goons publically outed for trying to find that video, had his brother slam him for being stupid.

And yet, its the Star thats the problem? Wow...be even funnier if it was true.

And....The Sun chain, Globe and Mail, every radio station, Nat'l Post etc etc have reported the same things too! Editorial in Sun says Ford needs to answer his detractors and to smarten up.

I guess the Star infiltrated the Sun one night recently?

But anyone is free to bury their head and pretend that all of this was manufactured and they can live in their simplistic utopia.

[g_bambino]

The timing of the prorogation isn't at all unusual though, I was kidding about that. He's halfway through his majority mandate, which means he's going to switch gears for election mode.

Seems likely.

FEAR the opposition! Voting us out will bring economic calamity! Then the "gifts" from the government will start to flow. All the half-started programs they'll use during election time to blackmail voters. "Look at what we're trying to give you. But we can't do it if you vote us out." Then as soon as they're elected the programs gets scrapped.

That pretty well applies to any government Canda's had. Politics is adversarial and politicians lie. That pretty well applies to any government, ever.

[g_bambino]

Exactly what do they do?? Oh, yeah, go to communites festivals, coffee shops, try to avoid the press, etc.

Avoid the press?? I think they love the press, especially the parts of it that share the same political tilt. They can reach far more Canadians via any or all of the news outlets than they can through CPAC's broadcast of question period. And where else will the members of Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition go to attack Harper with parliament on hiatus?

[bleeding heart]

Of course partisan players never would understand , nor take the time, to review the facts of whats out there. Not so much the facts of a video or such, but the facts of Mayor Ford and his horrible ability to keep his nose clean.

Hell , in the last week, he has been drunk at a street festival , gone to a jail after closing hours to see about some criminal friend of his, had his goons publically outed for trying to find that video, had his brother slam him for being stupid.

And yet, its the Star thats the problem? Wow...be even funnier if it was true.

And....The Sun chain, Globe and Mail, every radio station, Nat'l Post etc etc have reported the same things too! Editorial in Sun says Ford needs to answer his detractors and to smarten up.

I guess the Star infiltrated the Sun one night recently?

But anyone is free to bury their head and pretend that all of this was manufactured and they can live in their simplistic utopia.

Yep. And Margaret Wente, too, has exposed herself as a closeted leftist Ford-hater.

But no...the real problem, as PIK has said, is that "the media has gotten too big." Apparently they're interfering with our glorious politicians' ability to practice their craft in secret, as it is meant to be.

Edited August 20, 2013 by bleeding heart

[On Guard for Thee]

He does not hold any record---see #9 http://www.mapleleafweb.com/forums/topic/22966-harper-prorogation-part-iii/

And I just don't get all the BS of scandals, what has happen to his gov is nothing compared to the others and he will be the next PM. Canadians are not stupid enough to elect the boy wonder. Thank god he is our leader, just imagine what our debt would have been if the coalition of the idiots would have gotten hold of power.

He took a surplus of over 13 billion from the Liberals and turned it into some of the largest deficit spending in history, that must be some kind of a record.What I find to be the BS about scandals is this silly notion that because other governments have had them then we should disregard the one's "our" guys pull off. And Harper's are numerous. Let's see we have the In Out spending, prorogation, 16 dollar orange juice, the Parliamentary Budget Office, the F35, the arctic patrol boats, the senate and of course my fav., Contempt of Parliament. And I'm just going from memory, I'm sure I missed a bunch. According to a recent Nanos poll, Canadians are not stupid enough to vote for Harper either. The poll suggests a Liberal majority amongst decided voters but interestingly 62% of undecided said in any case they would not vote for Harper.

[PIK]

He took a surplus of over 13 billion from the Liberals and turned it into some of the largest deficit spending in history, that must be some kind of a record.What I find to be the BS about scandals is this silly notion that because other governments have had them then we should disregard the one's "our" guys pull off. And Harper's are numerous. Let's see we have the In Out spending, prorogation, 16 dollar orange juice, the Parliamentary Budget Office, the F35, the arctic patrol boats, the senate and of course my fav., Contempt of Parliament. And I'm just going from memory, I'm sure I missed a bunch. According to a recent Nanos poll, Canadians are not stupid enough to vote for Harper either. The poll suggests a Liberal majority amongst decided voters but interestingly 62% of undecided said in any case they would not vote for Harper.

A surplus built with E\I money and PS pension money and then the shit hiit the fan and the opp demanded he take canada into debt and they even screamed is was not enough. Nice try.

[On Guard for Thee]

A surplus built with E\I money and PS pension money and then the shit hiit the fan and the opp demanded he take canada into debt and they even screamed is was not enough. Nice try.

I don't think good fiscal managers lose track of 3.1 billion dollars. Then there was 288 million earmarked for Irving Shipyards to design an arctic patrol vessel: THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED AND BUILT. Boy did they backpedal in a hurry on that one. I wonder how many other of these types of things we DON'T know about. No wonder we're going broke.

[PIK]

I don't think good fiscal managers lose track of 3.1 billion dollars. Then there was 288 million earmarked for Irving Shipyards to design an arctic patrol vessel: THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN DESIGNED AND BUILT. Boy did they backpedal in a hurry on that one. I wonder how many other of these types of things we DON'T know about. No wonder we're going broke.

Yes chretien's people should have been more carefull with that 3.1 billion. And we are not going broke.

[AltaRick]

PM Harper is stuck in a morass of political mistakes, lies and cover ups. He is the child who hides his head under the covers pretending the boogeymen will all go away.

Sorry Stevie, the deficit is still here. The Duffy, Wallin scandals are still here. Bad economic policies are still here. Spending lies are still here. An energy policy still awaits. The F-35 saga still awaits forensic scrutiny. Your back-bench is still agitating. Tom Mulcair is still waiting with a long list of questions.

According to Angus Reid Forum, 42% of Canadians say PM Harper is doing a good job. Does that mean 42% of Canadians don’t mind un-accountable liars and people who go back on their word? If politicians can get away with this kind of political BS, what can Canada’s future be?

[g_bambino]

Does that mean 42% of Canadians don’t mind un-accountable liars and people who go back on their word? If politicians can get away with this kind of political BS, what can Canada’s future be?

Canada's future can be just fine, given that we've had liars and people who, to some degree, go back on their word--a.k.a. politicians--in government since, well, before Confederation.

("Un-accountable" was struck out because it's ludicrous to believe there's no such thing a critical media, adversarial politics, an opposition in parliament, a constitution and a governor general and courts to uphold it, and elections in this country.)

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Edited August 22, 2013 by g_bambino

[Accountability Now]

PM Harper is stuck in a morass of political mistakes, lies and cover ups. He is the child who hides his head under the covers pretending the boogeymen will all go away.

Sorry Stevie, the deficit is still here. The Duffy, Wallin scandals are still here. Bad economic policies are still here. Spending lies are still here. An energy policy still awaits. The F-35 saga still awaits forensic scrutiny. Your back-bench is still agitating. Tom Mulcair is still waiting with a long list of questions.

According to Angus Reid Forum, 42% of Canadians say PM Harper is doing a good job. Does that mean 42% of Canadians don’t mind un-accountable liars and people who go back on their word? If politicians can get away with this kind of political BS, what can Canada’s future be?

Nice first post AltaRick...however I think you should have consulted the forum rules before posting. Your comment regarding "Stevie" is a no-no. They actually use that exact example to illustrate what not to do.

Do not use diminutives or character substitutions in proper names that are not recognized by the original person to whom the reference is being made. For example, Prime Minister Stephen Harper does not identify himself as Stevie therefore, it is unacceptable to identify him as Stevie.

As for the content of your post....I'm not a Harper fan but I don't dislike the guy either. To me...they are all the same....Mulrooney, Chretien, Harper. They all make promises which can't be kept, they all spend money they don't have and they all have scandals on their watch. Its typically a matter of who is the lesser of the evils when judging these guys. I would assume that is what the 42% is looking at.

[Accountability Now]

Canada's future can be just fine, given that we've had liars and people who, to some degree, go back on their word--a.k.a. politicians--in government since, well, before Confederation.

Exactly!

[On Guard for Thee]

A surplus built with E\I money and PS pension money and then the shit hiit the fan and the opp demanded he take canada into debt and they even screamed is was not enough. Nice try.

No, I'm talking about the 3.1 billion that Harper's people (Flaherty) seems to have lost track of as of their last deficit budget. They assure us they didn't actually blow it, they just can't seem to put a finger on where it went. And of course that and a multitude of other pressing issues won't see the light of day during yet another proroge session while Harper banks on our shortness of memory. I personally doubt it will work.

[Smallc]

That $3.1B went... Wherever under the leadership of both parties over more than a decade, it wasn't all last year.