Should Prostitution Be Legal

[MadX]

I was wondering if Canada should legalize, tax, and regulate prostitution like what is done in Nevada and the Netherlands. Personally, I'm totally for it. It will increase tax revenue, reduce violence against sex workers, cut down on STDs because the prostitutes will get medical attention, and guys with no social skills or athletic ability will be able to get laid. Guys like Robert Pickton wouldn't be able to as easily prey on sex workers and violent pimps would be eliminated. I can't see any arguments against legalization. It may not be the most moral thing in the world, going to a prostitute but is prostitution really much different than dating, it just usually takes place more quickly and is more honest.

[AlienB]

yes, it is.

women or men should be able to have consensual sex for money.

if not I say we ban premarital sex too. and adultery. we can go right back to no anal, only missionary too, lets ban porn and all forms of indecscent displays, kissing in the public. and only holding hands if there is a chaperoned right.

maybe we should poll the taliban see what is vogue with them right now.

Hold on but lets see what was the result of that in the 1800's.. oh well poor women were housed sometimes at government expense... and what did the public get from it... less sex?

Canada isn't a monestary. regardless of if people live their life all celebate or everyone has to marry to have sex, or at least sex partners can't be rewarded for giving out.

well geuss what its like money or love, or whatever, some people like different things. Some people can use money rather than dinner and a movie. some people don't like going dutch.

None the less last I saw prostitution is legal in Canada, and income is taxed.

Bottom line though.. if people don't have partners they should be able to have partners.

Its sad really. Some people have more time to make money than foster relations with the opposite sex. What is the difference between having a wet dream and paying for a hooker other than cash out of hand.. fact is its a material loss either way. Its not like god doesn't force guys to have accidents anyway.

Other people shouldn't be forced to live a celibate life if they don't want to.

The real issue is non consenual sex and corruption related to the sex industry.

People should be able to make their own choices on why and who they have sex with.

Government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, or motel rooms, or wherever else in calls and outcalls are taking place these days.

All in all though this issue doesn't effect me, I neither prostitute nor use prostitutes. Give people what they want, and they will be full or want more, thats all there is to good government. We all die anyway. We don't need government restricting our freedom or telling us we need to live a certain way if we arn't hurting no one but ourselves by choice. Even the religiously pious damaged the flesh to cleans the spirit.

People can make those choices for themselves. One can only hope that God create people with lives that they dislike, because that wouldn't be good. If people were presented with their needs for a good life we wouldn't be forced to the shackles of a government that tried to restrict our freedom to insure their values are upheld. Government manages freedom, and that is wrong, they should be managing the free. But lets get straight this illegal stuff is just to shut hoars up from saying who they are sleeping with because men don't want to admit they are paying for it, especially to their wives.

None the less prostitution is legal, and in Canadian law yes it should be legal, Canada is suppose to be non denominational, and prostitution is just a remnant of a religious value system that should be left to individuals to be part of or not.

Morality in a non denominational governance is one that allows people to decide for themselves in how they choose to live their life, so long as it does not infringe the liberties of others. That is a free society and anything short of that is not Canadian, it is corruption.

Edited June 12, 2013 by AlienB

[cybercoma]

It already is, as long as you don't give her money directly, but buy her drinks at a club instead, then have your one night stand. At least then she's protected by the justice system if you assault her in any way.

[Bryan]

Another one I worry about. Should adults be allowed to do that is they want to (either as a buyer or a seller)? Absolutely. A lot more safeguards have to be put in place to avoid exploitation though.

[MadX]

yes, it is.

women or men should be able to have consensual sex for money.

if not I say we ban premarital sex too. and adultery. we can go right back to no anal, only missionary too, lets ban porn and all forms of indecscent displays, kissing in the public. and only holding hands if there is a chaperoned right.

maybe we should poll the taliban see what is vogue with them right now.

Hold on but lets see what was the result of that in the 1800's.. oh well poor women were housed sometimes at government expense... and what did the public get from it... less sex?

Canada isn't a monestary. regardless of if people live their life all celebate or everyone has to marry to have sex, or at least sex partners can't be rewarded for giving out.

well geuss what its like money or love, or whatever, some people like different things. Some people can use money rather than dinner and a movie. some people don't like going dutch.

None the less last I saw prostitution is legal in Canada, and income is taxed.

Bottom line though.. if people don't have partners they should be able to have partners.

Its sad really. Some people have more time to make money than foster relations with the opposite sex. What is the difference between having a wet dream and paying for a hooker other than cash out of hand.. fact is its a material loss either way. Its not like god doesn't force guys to have accidents anyway.

Other people shouldn't be forced to live a celibate life if they don't want to.

The real issue is non consenual sex and corruption related to the sex industry.

People should be able to make their own choices on why and who they have sex with.

Government has no place in the bedrooms of the nation, or motel rooms, or wherever else in calls and outcalls are taking place these days.

All in all though this issue doesn't effect me, I neither prostitute nor use prostitutes. Give people what they want, and they will be full or want more, thats all there is to good government. We all die anyway. We don't need government restricting our freedom or telling us we need to live a certain way if we arn't hurting no one but ourselves by choice. Even the religiously pious damaged the flesh to cleans the spirit.

People can make those choices for themselves. One can only hope that God create people with lives that they dislike, because that wouldn't be good. If people were presented with their needs for a good life we wouldn't be forced to the shackles of a government that tried to restrict our freedom to insure their values are upheld. Government manages freedom, and that is wrong, they should be managing the free. But lets get straight this illegal stuff is just to shut hoars up from saying who they are sleeping with because men don't want to admit they are paying for it, especially to their wives.

None the less prostitution is legal, and in Canadian law yes it should be legal, Canada is suppose to be non denominational, and prostitution is just a remnant of a religious value system that should be left to individuals to be part of or not.

Morality in a non denominational governance is one that allows people to decide for themselves in how they choose to live their life, so long as it does not infringe the liberties of others. That is a free society and anything short of that is not Canadian, it is corruption.

I didn't know this but apparently prostitution is legal here in Canada. However most activities surrounding the practice such as procuring and the operation of brothels remain illegal. So what I am proposing is legalizing these activities that surround the practice to make it more like Nevada or Holland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

[MadX]

Another one I worry about. Should adults be allowed to do that is they want to (either as a buyer or a seller)? Absolutely. A lot more safeguards have to be put in place to avoid exploitation though.

Agreed, that is one of the reasons I support legalization, to make it safer. Also it will help guys who have trouble with women get laid. More people getting laid means a happier population and less crime.

[cybercoma]

I don't want the govt regulating people's sex lives. If someone wants to have sex because another person is going to give them money, as opposed to making them laugh or having a nice smile or something, frankly it's still none of the govt's business. Trafficking and sex slavery will no longer be profitable when people are no longer consider criminals because they give someone money for having sex with them. It's only a problem now because it's hidden from view and considered taboo.

[AlienB]

I didn't know this but apparently prostitution is legal here in Canada. However most activities surrounding the practice such as procuring and the operation of brothels remain illegal. So what I am proposing is legalizing these activities that surround the practice to make it more like Nevada or Holland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

I didn't know this but apparently prostitution is legal here in Canada. However most activities surrounding the practice such as procuring and the operation of brothels remain illegal. So what I am proposing is legalizing these activities that surround the practice to make it more like Nevada or Holland.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Canada

The main issue is proceeds from prostitution not going to the prostitute. Exploitation could enter the picture if that were the case, and that is the main problem. Although business does this all the time with agents and suppliers and distributors taking cuts, due to the history of prostitution, pimping and sex slaves, this is in part why the courts went the way they went with it.

[MadX]

The main issue is proceeds from prostitution not going to the prostitute. Exploitation could enter the picture if that were the case, and that is the main problem. Although business does this all the time with agents and suppliers and distributors taking cuts, due to the history of prostitution, pimping and sex slaves, this is in part why the courts went the way they went with it.

If we fully legalized it and made sure that the prostitutes received the bulk of their earnings, we could protect sex workers, get rid of violent pimps, and help socially awkward guys get laid. The prostitutes could also be screened for diseases regularly.

Edited June 12, 2013 by MadX

[cybercoma]

If we fully legalized it and made sure that the prostitutes received the bulk of their earnings, we could protect sex workers, get rid of violent pimps, and help socially awkward guys get laid. The prostitutes could also be screened for diseases regularly.

I disagree with both taxing it and the government forcing people to medical exams. People's sex lives are none of the government's business. Forcing prostitutes to open the books limits their ability to be discrete and frankly is an invasion of an individual's privacy. This will only serve to keep the trade underground as women protect their privacy; therefore, it will continue to encourage trafficking and sex slavery. The money given to prostitutes should be treated as a "gift" and not subject to taxation or the prying eyes of bureaucrats. Moreover, government bureaucrats shouldn't be subjecting people to medical testing and examinations at the bureaucracy's discretion. People understand the inherent risks with sex. We don't force the general public to undergo this testing to protect people, regardless of how promiscuous someone is. There's absolutely no need for the government to get involved in this. Like I said, a person's reasons for having sex with someone are none of anybody else's business, whether it's for their personality, for having a good time at the bar, or for a handful of cash. The government doesn't need to be involved.

[MadX]

I disagree with both taxing it and the government forcing people to medical exams. People's sex lives are none of the government's business. Forcing prostitutes to open the books limits their ability to be discrete and frankly is an invasion of an individual's privacy. This will only serve to keep the trade underground as women protect their privacy; therefore, it will continue to encourage trafficking and sex slavery. The money given to prostitutes should be treated as a "gift" and not subject to taxation or the prying eyes of bureaucrats. Moreover, government bureaucrats shouldn't be subjecting people to medical testing and examinations at the bureaucracy's discretion. People understand the inherent risks with sex. We don't force the general public to undergo this testing to protect people, regardless of how promiscuous someone is. There's absolutely no need for the government to get involved in this. Like I said, a person's reasons for having sex with someone are none of anybody else's business, whether it's for their personality, for having a good time at the bar, or for a handful of cash. The government doesn't need to be involved.

I understand where you are coming from but I feel if prostitution is a business it should be regulated as such. I am not suggesting that the government watch the sex acts taking place but I feel that proper medical testing for both the hookers and the johns are in order. Its a risky business and I think that we should mitigate that risk. Also if someone is selling their body they should have to pay taxes on it just like any other business. Besides if there is no regulation but legalization, it just gives the pimps impunity to brutalize their hookers.

[August1991]

First MadX, you should have started this thread as a poll so that we can see how people on this forum think. (You can still edit your OP and include a poll.)

Second, some German states and Nevada - among other places - have legalized prostitution. Sweden has made prostitution illegal. I suggest that you look at the logic behind the Swedish policy, and how it is applied.

Third, I suspect that Canadian wives would oppose legal prostitution because prostitutes represent competition. They would give many other reasons for their opposition but this would be the main reason.

Finally, in such discussions, I am always reminded of a conversation that I had with two young women in France, years ago. They told me that one time in Paris, they hired a prostitute to teach them a few techniques. (They told me that they met a prostitute in the street, and asked the hourly rate. They paid it, but asked for a different service.) I reckon that all young women should be as wise.

Edited June 12, 2013 by August1991

[G Huxley]

Yes it should be legal. How can one outlaw the world's oldest profession? And how can politicians of all people be self-righteous about prostitution!!!

I think Prostitution is already legal in Canada. Its solicitation that is illegal if I have that correct.

The solicitation bit is an absurd technicality, and it should be removed.

[cybercoma]

I understand where you are coming from but I feel if prostitution is a business it should be regulated as such. I am not suggesting that the government watch the sex acts taking place but I feel that proper medical testing for both the hookers and the johns are in order. Its a risky business and I think that we should mitigate that risk. Also if someone is selling their body they should have to pay taxes on it just like any other business. Besides if there is no regulation but legalization, it just gives the pimps impunity to brutalize their hookers.

your problem is that you want to define it as a business. I don't think it should be defined that way at all for the reasons I gave above. More importantly, would gifts someone receives through courtship be considered income? Is the difference not simply the exchange of cash instead of goods?

As for the safety of "hookers" and "johns", let me reiterate. There are inherent risks with any sexual liaison. Adults are aware of this. There is no difference between picking up a sex worker and hooking up with someone for a one night stand from a bar, party, or vacation spot. Therefore, it is my contention that it is unreasonable to subject sex workers to required medical testing that you don't subject other sexually active adults to.

Edited June 12, 2013 by cybercoma

[Newfoundlander]

Yes.

[Fletch 27]

^{Prostitution is Legal and alive an Well now in Ontario.... Simply look at how the NDP's Andrea Horwath and her gap-toothed fellate of Kathlene Wynne! She was paid well.. Billions in fact..}

[AlienB]

I disagree with both taxing it and the government forcing people to medical exams. People's sex lives are none of the government's business. Forcing prostitutes to open the books limits their ability to be discrete and frankly is an invasion of an individual's privacy. This will only serve to keep the trade underground as women protect their privacy; therefore, it will continue to encourage trafficking and sex slavery. The money given to prostitutes should be treated as a "gift" and not subject to taxation or the prying eyes of bureaucrats. Moreover, government bureaucrats shouldn't be subjecting people to medical testing and examinations at the bureaucracy's discretion. People understand the inherent risks with sex. We don't force the general public to undergo this testing to protect people, regardless of how promiscuous someone is. There's absolutely no need for the government to get involved in this. Like I said, a person's reasons for having sex with someone are none of anybody else's business, whether it's for their personality, for having a good time at the bar, or for a handful of cash. The government doesn't need to be involved.

I actually support some form of records keeping, to both track the money and the people in case of sexual disease. However people really shouldn't be sleeping around with anyone without knowing their sexual history, and it is relatively reasonable to ask for a health clearance from anyone sleeping with many different partners. Frankly though what this will do is create the underground trade of cheap whores and high class escorts, as illegal vs. legal.

This is a bit like doing a one night stand thing regularly which some people do. I do think this should be optional but any sane person is going to need to get checkups if they are a prostitute, this may just mean a 6 month medical or a monthly medical, but it should be totally tax deducatable as a business expense.

The thing is though that even with condoms, there is still a chance of STI's, luckly many STIs are manageable. but you should look to STI rates in prostitutes vs. non prostiutes and you might find a correlation that prostitutes have a greater chance of contracting and transmitting those illnesses.

That is a public health danger, and will drip over to the public purse in terms of treating outbreaks of STIs. This is why I think both a record of clients that is cross referenced with the new ehealth database is important so the root of the infection is found especially for serious illness. Making checkups and STI treatments tax deductible for registered sex workers, may help prevent spill over in the trade to the general public. I think really provinces should establish separate bills to help manage the profession, in how it relates to public health because the profession does represent public health concerns because it deals with the body much like dentists, doctors, other health care providers, corrections officers and others.

It should be lumped in with the health sector, under recreation and rehabilitation. Perhaps even coverable as a form of therapy or other such extended health benefits. You see articles like this pop up all the time. http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/guide/10-surprising-health-benefits-of-sex

Edited June 13, 2013 by AlienB

[AlienB]

Some people don't like blood transfushions either, this doesn't mean people not of that religion or culture shouldn't be able to get them.

Really we need to remove the legal oversight of medicine and lifestyle from government. If doctors who conform to their professional ethics and other important professional standards, and no one but the client and the person performing the procedure, its really no one elses business. As long as everyone is informed and consenting adults whatever. Canada is a secular country, it is suppose to be free. We don't need other people policing our values. They should stick to managing their own.

We need to remove the medical field completely from union with government, we need to do the same for lifestyle and concentrate government protecting peoples rights not removing them.Public safety should be the only major concern, public safety does not include enforcing religious or cultural values on others.

It is about insuring that people are not violated by others. That means protection of the environment, and for peoples wishes to be respected by not having forced associations, and to be bound by force to laws they did not consent to infringe those liberties, and for their personal security to be protected in public places, and in their own private places.

The definitely means though that peoples wishes not to be forced to medical procedure should be respected, much the same as people shouldn't have sex forced on them.

Edited June 13, 2013 by AlienB

[G Huxley]

If prostitution was illegal. The Senate would have to be disbanded.

Edited June 13, 2013 by G Huxley

[cybercoma]

I agree that prostitutes probably should get checkups. What I don't agree with is govt mandated checkups. It should be their own decision.

[dre]

Absolutely no question about it. Yes.

Prohibition is an absolute disaster. Forcing sex workers to work in unsafe unregulated conditions has resulted in many thousands of needless deaths, and unimaginable exploitation.

[MadX]

Absolutely no question about it. Yes.

Prohibition is an absolute disaster. Forcing sex workers to work in unsafe unregulated conditions has resulted in many thousands of needless deaths, and unimaginable exploitation.

I like your style, you make sense. It seems most people seem to agree on legalization though, some just disagree with how much regulation is needed.

[MadX]

Prostitution Law is being challenged however:

http://news.ca.msn.com/canada/video.aspx?cp-documentid=cbcc2013-1306-1728-0000-239121734600

[dre]

I like your style, you make sense. It seems most people seem to agree on legalization though, some just disagree with how much regulation is needed.

I would treat it just like any other business. I dont see any reason to treat it differently.

[Bonam]

Yes, legalize and regulate. You don't have to force medical checkups or anything, but once it's all legal, your typical customer will want to go to a provider that is considered safe, and that provider will have certifications of medical checkups, online reviews saying they adequately provided for privacy/convenience/etc.