PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[jacee]

The first thing Harper did with the RCMP was to waive parliamentary priviledge and give them access to ANY and ALL emails emanating from the PMO. Imagine - just one email would have killed him - just one......but obviously, he knew there wouldn't be one - because he never got involved in how Wright "resolved" the Duffy situation. If he had something to hide, he would have fought tooth and nail to avoid giving them at least SOME of the emails - just like the McGuinty/Wynne Liberals did - time and again with the gas plant fiasco.

Why didn't Wright just make Duffy pay back the money himself?

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[Keepitsimple]

Why didn't Wright just make Duffy pay back the money himself?

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Keep up with the story. It was because he outright refused. Enter Wright - as he said......he felt it was the right thing to do.

Edited November 23, 2013 by Keepitsimple

[jacee]

Keep up with the story. It was because he outright refused. Enter Wright - as he said......he felt it was the right thing to do.

Right thing to do ... for the PM?

Not according to Harper, who says he didn't endorse such a payment and told the RCMP.

Or was Wright trying to do the right thing for the Conservative Party?

The PM said he wouldn't endorse such a payment, knows it's wrong.

Did the Conservative Party endorse bribery?

The PM's lawyer and the Party's lawyer were both in on it.

[Vancouver King]

I'm rather enjoying the daily spectacle of Question Period where Mulcair chews on and spits out Harper on a regular basis. The PM looks helpless, mouthing inanities rather than answering questions as Mulcair lands blow after blow.

Nick Nanos reports the drubbing is now taking a measurable toll - leadership numbers for Harper (and Trudeau) are down 5 points and the NDP leader's are up.

With more RCMP documents due to be court filed, this is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

[On Guard for Thee]

Yes. QP I quite a lot of fun of late, if you ignore the fact that we are funding the fiasco. It is interesting watching Harper squirm although if I hear him say one more time, "I've been perfectly clear about this" and then prattle on with his innate and transparent talking point, I may throw up. I look fwd to hearing what he ha to say under oath. I don't suppose the court will tolerate that nonsense!

[jacee]

http://www.cbc.ca/m/touch/politics/story/1.2434323

The RCMP have indicated there [is] evidence the amendment to make these changes was moved by Stewart Olsen.

However, Stewart Olsen told Cpl.

Horton in a June interview that she didn't remember what changes were made. She told him she was unaware of any discussions between individuals where a deal would be made with Duffy to go easy on him in the Senate report if he paid the money he owed in housing expenses.

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Cpl. Horton is blunt and unequivocal in his opinion of Stewart Olsen's credibility. "I believe that Senator Stewart Olsen's version of events to police was incomplete and not consistent with the facts," he writes.

Now the Senators are lying to the RCMP in a political coverup.

It seems there's a strong culture of political coverup there ... used to lying.

Not cool to the RCMP.

Edited November 26, 2013 by jacee

[On Guard for Thee]

Unfortunately the "business" of the day Is the scandal because Harper won't answer any questions so it drags on until the RCMP get their job done. Has anyone seen the actual check to prove Wright paid for Duffy's problems personally? As long as Harper stonewalls, Mulcair must just giggle on his way to QP each day. "Like shootin' fish in a barrel" as the old saying goes.

[Vendetta]

I don't think this will go anywhere. People are on to what is going on, just a witch hunt by the left to keep the eye off of themselves with the help of the media party. And the worst is nigel is probably one of the most honest men around and trid to do what was right and get the moiney back. Now because of mulcair and the media party this has been blown out of porportion and nigel will be the only one to get hurt in all this. The man never even put in a expense claim , he paid everything himself. Well I guess good lads finish last in this country. Time for tommy to take his ball and go home or start egtting back to the business of the day, like trade deals, boats, jobs and anything else that effects the people of this country.

So I'm guessing you must be VERY angry with Harper for saying such terrible things about Good Nigel then huh?

[bleeding heart]

So I'm guessing you must be VERY angry with Harper for saying such terrible things about Good Nigel then huh?

Well, that's what I was wondering about, too. Evidently Harper is a part of the "piling-on Left" who has said such unfair things about Mr. Wright.

[Edzzed]

I read that report in it's entirety and I am very ticked that he got 28.00 for a housing allowance and 86.00 to eat meals in his own home. In the report are several emails. They did not delete the emails sender. So I gave Duffy a piece of my mind. [email protected] Yes folks there are two D's, not one but two D's and then I gave his lawyer [email protected] a piece of my mind as well. Ed

[madmax]

Don't forget to send one off to the Prime Minister and PMo and to the Conservative Party for their conspiratorial engagement in covering up a fraud.

[Edzzed]

Done, harpers new chief of staff is [email protected] and I just fired one off to him. Don't know harpers direct email yet but sleuthing to find it out. Ed

[jacee]

Done, harpers new chief of staff is [email protected] and I just fired one off to him. Don't know harpers direct email yet but sleuthing to find it out. Ed

[email protected]

Harper approved Duffy's expenses ... then changed his mind.

[Topaz]

Here's the link to RCMP money trail between Duffy and Wright http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/how-the-rcmp-mapped-the-wright-duffy-money-trail-1.2437299

[Topaz]

IF this link does play just go over to CBC, and find it under "politics", scroll down, its on the left side of the page. It very interesting,because the money is more involved than we have been told.

[Keepitsimple]

So I'm guessing you must be VERY angry with Harper for saying such terrible things about Good Nigel then huh?

On the contrary. Harper held his fire for as long as he possibly could - at first defending him.......but with the bloodthirsty opposition and media putting the blame all on Harper with cries of corruption and bribery, he had no choice but to put the blame where it belonged - on an error in judgement by Wright that went terribly wrong. There are many sad parts to this story but two include Wright being pilloried for doing what he considered to be the right thing.....and Harper having no choice but to put the blame on someone that he clearly respects. Fortunately, both Wright and Harper understand the media game and political undercurrents that make up these "scandals" and I'm sure their friendship will survive this fiasco. Sad though.

[jacee]

The saddest part of the story is just emerging: The PMO violating the independence of the Senate investigation to demand they go easy on Duffy, (to keep Duffy quiet about the deal) and senators acquiescing to the political pressure by falsifying their report, and then lying about it to the RCMP.

the-tory-who-stood-up-to-bullies-in-pmo/

When the initial report was found to be critical of Duffy contrary to the deal Harpers office demanded it be changed.The changes were delivered through Stewart Olsen, who immediately bought in 100 per cent, according to PMO staffer Rogers, but the RCMP says there appeared to be a temporary impasse when Montgomery told Stewart Olsen, LeBreton, Rogers and Chris Woodcock of the PMO that the Senate was compromising itself in capitulating to the will of Harpers office.

According to his testimony to police, he told Rogers and Woodcock that they should not be involved in the Senate audit and reports regarding Duffy and that he had never, in seven years in the Senate, ever seen the PMO attend meetings and insist on the wording of a Senate report. He argued that senators make the final decision on how their reports are worded.

The Conservative Party is all over this, subverting the law to influence governance for political gain.

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Edited November 25, 2013 by jacee

[Topaz]

The MP who is PM Parl.Sec. needs to take a vacation. He has a very short fuse and his answers, have turned into personal attacks of the opposition parties and leaders because he has not answers to the questions. Today, one of the questions asked was about the PM's lawyer and his involvement, the Tory answer was," since the NDP couldn't find a leader, they had to go the a corrupt liberal". Why doesn't he just say, "I have no answer" and sit down rather than make an ass of himself, and this guy wants to be PM some day! Also, some reporters who have talked to some of the Tory MP's are very upset with the PM and don't like how he's handling this.

[PIK]

The MP who is PM Parl.Sec. needs to take a vacation. He has a very short fuse and his answers, have turned into personal attacks of the opposition parties and leaders because he has not answers to the questions. Today, one of the questions asked was about the PM's lawyer and his involvement, the Tory answer was," since the NDP couldn't find a leader, they had to go the a corrupt liberal". Why doesn't he just say, "I have no answer" and sit down rather than make an ass of himself, and this guy wants to be PM some day! Also, some reporters who have talked to some of the Tory MP's are very upset with the PM and don't like how he's handling this.

Link?

[PIK]

The saddest part of the story is just emerging: The PMO violating the independence of the Senate investigation to demand they go easy on Duffy, (to keep Duffy quiet about the deal) and senators acquiescing to the political pressure by falsifying their report, and then lying about it to the RCMP.

the-tory-who-stood-up-to-bullies-in-pmo/

When the initial report was found to be critical of Duffy contrary to the deal Harpers office demanded it be changed.The changes were delivered through Stewart Olsen, who immediately bought in 100 per cent, according to PMO staffer Rogers, but the RCMP says there appeared to be a temporary impasse when Montgomery told Stewart Olsen, LeBreton, Rogers and Chris Woodcock of the PMO that the Senate was compromising itself in capitulating to the will of Harpers office.

According to his testimony to police, he told Rogers and Woodcock that they should not be involved in the Senate audit and reports regarding Duffy and that he had never, in seven years in the Senate, ever seen the PMO attend meetings and insist on the wording of a Senate report. He argued that senators make the final decision on how their reports are worded.

The Conservative Party is all over this, subverting the law to influence governance for political gain.

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LOL

[cybercoma]

Link?

Link? It was during Question Period. It'll be in the Hansard Record when it's published.

[Topaz]

Link?

Go to.....C-PAC and watch QP online.

[cybercoma]

I'm very surprised to see Conservatives now speaking out against Stephen Harper.

The conservative mindset understands that power tends to corrupt. How far will we let it corrupt us? I have been involved in party work for more than a decade and I call on other party members to demand answers, or resignation from our leader. . .It’s time to demonstrate that Conservatives care about ethics and ultimately, checks on that corrupting influence of power. . .The prime minister has, in the kindest interpretation, hidden the full truth.

Is that acceptable to you, as a Canadian and a Conservative?

Read the full story: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/op-ed/Stephen+Harper+puts+Conservatives+bind/9211218/story.html

[cybercoma]

Sachs's prescription in that article is wrong, imo. He calls upon the Senate to be the first to stand up to Harper. Granted they can with reprisals because they are beyond his reach. They can be kicked out of caucus, but who cares? They're not running in any election any time soon. So I get it. I understand why he would think that's the best place to kick things off.

However, he and many others have lost sight of exactly how our parliamentary system is supposed to work. The people who are supposed to keep the Prime Minister and the cabinet accountable are the CPC backbenchers. They're the ones that are supposed to hold the executive branch accountable to the party's ideals. Stephen Harper has the most bloated cabinet with an army of Parliamentary Secretaries in waiting though. He has dangled the carrot before almost every single MP in that party. They're either part of the executive or have promise of being the executive, dissuading them from holding the executive accountable. Nevertheless, the party backbench has an obligation to ensure that power does not corrupt the party's cabinet members. They have a duty to keep them grounded and inline with the party's ideals. Instead, the Conservatives have a cabinet with a bunch of lapdogs in the backbench, who don't even have their finger on the pulse of their party members, as evidenced by the op-ed I posted above (as well as other notable Conservatives that have been critical of Harper recently). It's time for Conservative MPs to stand up for the ideals of their party and begin doing the job they were elected to do by holding the government accountable to those ideals.

[TimG]

However, he and many others have lost sight of exactly how our parliamentary system is supposed to work. The people who are supposed to keep the Prime Minister and the cabinet accountable are the CPC backbenchers.

And nothing is going to change no matter which party is in power as long as party constitutions prohibit the ousting of party leaders by sitting MPs (i.e. by restricting the leadership review process and/or requiring a vote of all party members instead of a vote by sitting MPs). This is one situation where attempts to make the leadership selection process "more democratic" have actually taken away an important avenue for accountability. Edited November 26, 2013 by TimG