PMO paid for Duffy's fraud

[Moonlight Graham]

This scandal is fascinating to watch as it unfolds. Duffy is getting backed into a corner, and in order to save his ultra-cushy job he's bringing out the big guns and throwing the PM and the PMO under the bus after they threw Duffy under the bus. Duffy is also lashing out against different members of the Senate.

The likelihood that Harper didn't know about the Wright-Duffy payment before the public & media did has always been very suspect and now the likelihood is even more miniscule. Sooner or later I think it's going to get out that Harper did know, and that Wright took the fall for the PM. IMO this is very likely going to finish Harper as PM. What may save him is that the next election is potentially years away. Duffy is trying to deflect the scandalous attention away from himself and onto the PM/PMO and the CPC (in both the HoC and Senate). Duffy is a scumbag who will seemingly do just about anything to keep his cushy Senate job, and I hope he takes all guilty parties down with him in his attempts to save himself.

[Guest Derek L]

This scandal is fascinating to watch as it unfolds. Duffy is getting backed into a corner, and in order to save his ultra-cushy job he's bringing out the big guns and throwing the PM and the PMO under the bus after they threw Duffy under the bus. Duffy is also lashing out against different members of the Senate.

What might lend credence to Senator Duffy’s unfounded claims is if they were made outside of the Red Chamber, unprotected by Parliamentary Privilege……….

[On Guard for Thee]

What might lend credence to Senator Duffy’s unfounded claims is if they were made outside of the Red Chamber, unprotected by Parliamentary Privilege……….

They will be made outside the red chamber....in court. Just as soon as the RCMP and Duffy's lawyer get done with the investigation. Then the charges may very well be forthcoming..

[On Guard for Thee]

This scandal is fascinating to watch as it unfolds. Duffy is getting backed into a corner, and in order to save his ultra-cushy job he's bringing out the big guns and throwing the PM and the PMO under the bus after they threw Duffy under the bus. Duffy is also lashing out against different members of the Senate.

The likelihood that Harper didn't know about the Wright-Duffy payment before the public & media did has always been very suspect and now the likelihood is even more miniscule. Sooner or later I think it's going to get out that Harper did know, and that Wright took the fall for the PM. IMO this is very likely going to finish Harper as PM. What may save him is that the next election is potentially years away. Duffy is trying to deflect the scandalous attention away from himself and onto the PM/PMO and the CPC (in both the HoC and Senate). Duffy is a scumbag who will seemingly do just about anything to keep his cushy Senate job, and I hope he takes all guilty parties down with him in his attempts to save himself.

I think you have sized it up well. We shall see how the vote goes in the Senate. What could well take Harper down is if the speaker rules on the point of order the NDP put forward and he sends it to comimtee. It could very well come to pass that Harper gets to face yet another "contempt of parliament" finding and goes down to a non confidence vote, just as he did to bring on the last election. And I bet it would be a different outcome. And to think, Harper was gonna' clean up Ottawa!

[Guest Derek L]

They will be made outside the red chamber....in court. Just as soon as the RCMP and Duffy's lawyer get done with the investigation. Then the charges may very well be forthcoming..

What investigation? As linked to on the previous page by another member, once the Senate votes to boot Senator Duffy out, the legal proceedings related to Senator Duffy’s expenses are over.

So what courtroom and charges do you speak of?

[Guest Derek L]

I think you have sized it up well. We shall see how the vote goes in the Senate. What could well take Harper down is if the speaker rules on the point of order the NDP put forward and he sends it to comimtee. It could very well come to pass that Harper gets to face yet another "contempt of parliament" finding and goes down to a non confidence vote, just as he did to bring on the last election. And I bet it would be a different outcome. And to think, Harper was gonna' clean up Ottawa!

You realize the CPC holds a majority within the House right?

[On Guard for Thee]

You realize the CPC holds a majority within the House right?

I certainly do, as sad as that is. But perhaps there enough folks who don't appreciate the "control freak" they work for. Some of them have said exactly that. He may find himself being the one thrown under the bus at the upcoming convention. And wouldn't that be a fitting legacy for him, being the only PM in history to have been found in contempt.....twice!

[Guest Derek L]

I certainly do, as sad as that is. But perhaps there enough folks who don't appreciate the "control freak" they work for. Some of them have said exactly that. He may find himself being the one thrown under the bus at the upcoming convention. And wouldn't that be a fitting legacy for him, being the only PM in history to have been found in contempt.....twice!

I wouldn‘t bet on it……But I’ll be in Calgary and Banff next week with the delegation from our riding association, so I’ll let you know

[On Guard for Thee]

I wouldn‘t bet on it……But I’ll be in Calgary and Banff next week with the delegation from our riding association, so I’ll let you know

I will wager that the last two days of QP will figure heavily in discussions there. Embarrasing to say the least, and not only for his supporters, but for all of us on these fair shores. There's a lot of nasty splatter and there are still a few more days of that. I bet it gets even worse, but we'll see.

[Guest Derek L]

I will wager that the last two days of QP will figure heavily in discussions there. Embarrasing to say the least, and not only for his supporters, but for all of us on these fair shores. There's a lot of nasty splatter and there are still a few more days of that. I bet it gets even worse, but we'll see.

As I said, if Senator Duffy has a tale to tell, I’m certain any number of media outlets would be more then willing to sit down with him and put him on TV for all Canadians to hear & see…….Of course, there would no such thing as Parliamentary Privilege protecting Duffy from civil action when he spins his yarn over how the Prime Minister, PMO and other members of the upper echelon of the Conservative Party of Canada allegedly “bullied” him into repaying improper expenses that he incurred on the dime of Canadian taxpayers.

Now that would be nasty splatter........Of course, Senator Duffy would be opening up himself to far more then losing his medical coverage that helps pay for his heart medication, but perhaps his primary residence in Prince Edward Island, if his yarns were found to be defaming folks of course.........

Edited October 23, 2013 by Derek L

[On Guard for Thee]

As I said, if Senator Duffy has a tale to tell, I’m certain any number of media outlets would be more then willing to sit down with him and put him on TV for all Canadians to hear & see…….Of course, there would no such thing as Parliamentary Privilege protecting Duffy from civil action when he spins his yarn over how the Prime Minister, PMO and other members of the upper echelon of the Conservative Party of Canada allegedly “bullied” him into repaying improper expenses that he incurred on the dime of Canadian taxpayers.

Now that would be nasty splatter........Of course, Senator Duffy would be opening up himself to far more then losing his medical coverage that helps pay for his heart medication, but perhaps his primary residence in Prince Edward Island, if his yarns were found to be defaming folks of course.........

Duffy's lawyer claims to have a binder full of emails. (You know, the one's Harper said don't exist) and of course he has no need of the red chamber to shine the light of day on those. And if you'll recall, his lawyer was NOT in the red chamber when he read excerpts from said emails. You would have to be a pretty dumb lawyer to fake that.

[Guest Derek L]

Duffy's lawyer claims to have a binder full of emails. (You know, the one's Harper said don't exist) and of course he has no need of the red chamber to shine the light of day on those. And if you'll recall, his lawyer was NOT in the red chamber when he read excerpts from said emails. You would have to be a pretty dumb lawyer to fake that.

Senator Duffy's lawyer is in the position of qualified privilege.

[On Guard for Thee]

Senator Duffy's lawyer is in the position of qualified privilege.

He has no more privelege than you or I.

[Guest Derek L]

He has no more privelege than you or I.

Figure out what qualified privilege means in relation to an attorney......then get back to me.

[On Guard for Thee]

Figure out what qualified privilege means in relation to an attorney......then get back to me.

I know very well what it means, fair, accurate, without malice...etc. As I previously stated he would have to be a dumb lawyer to wade into that without being all of the above. But what really matters is does he have those emails or not? I suspect he does.

[Guest Derek L]

I know very well what it means, fair, accurate, without malice...etc. As I previously stated he would have to be a dumb lawyer to wade into that without being all of the above. But what really matters is does he have those emails or not? I suspect he does.

Well no, you don’t appear to know what it means or why Senator Duffy’s lawyer would reveal the alleged emails as opposed to the Senator himself……

[On Guard for Thee]

Well no, you don’t appear to know what it means or why Senator Duffy’s lawyer would reveal the alleged emails as opposed to the Senator himself……

Do you think they just sat and wrote them in Duffy's office?

Um, if you know something about law, don't you think it would be a tad dangerous to reveal "alleged" emails on national TV, privelage or not?

[Guest Derek L]

Do you think they just sat and wrote them in Duffy's office?

Um, if you know something about law, don't you think it would be a tad dangerous to reveal "alleged" emails on national TV, privelage or not?

It’s not dangerous if you have qualified privilege………like I said several posts ago to you, since you don’t understand what qualified privilege means, this is why you’d think such actions would be “dangerous”.

Chew on this, outside of today’s statement from within the Senate, or communications the Senator has made through his attorney, why has the Senator not spoken to the press in detail over this scandal that has dogged him for months?

[On Guard for Thee]

It’s not dangerous if you have qualified privilege………like I said several posts ago to you, since you don’t understand what qualified privilege means, this is why you’d think such actions would be “dangerous”.

Chew on this, outside of today’s statement from within the Senate, or communications the Senator has made through his attorney, why has the Senator not spoken to the press in detail over this scandal that has dogged him for months?

For the first part, it would be extremely dangerous to his eventual case to go on TV and lie about having damning correspondance he doesn't actually have.

And to the second part, very simple, it is only just now the government has tried to actually remove Duffy etal from their jobs.

[Guest Derek L]

For the first part, it would be extremely dangerous to his eventual case to go on TV and lie about having damning correspondance he doesn't actually have.

I never called into question if Senator Duffy has or has not in his possession “damning emails”, but why he has avoided speaking at length to the media.

And to the second part, very simple, it is only just now the government has tried to actually remove Duffy etal from their jobs.

So? Are you suggesting that if the Government wasn’t going to toss the Senator out on his ear, that he would keep “damning emails” in relation to the Government from the public?

[On Guard for Thee]

For the first part, it would be extremely dangerous to his eventual case to go on TV and lie about having damning correspondance he doesn't actually have.

And to the second part, very simple, it is only just now the government has tried to actually remove Duffy etal from their jobs.

And for that matter, why has Harper never really answered a question with regard to this same scandal that has dogged him for months, in the house where he certainly does have privelage.

[Guest Derek L]

And for that matter, why has Harper never really answered a question with regard to this same scandal that has dogged him for months, in the house where he certainly does have privelage.

Well he has answered questions in relation to his knowledge of this affair.

[On Guard for Thee]

Well he has answered questions in relation to his knowledge of this affair.

Yeah, but it's the same answer over and over again: that it was all Nigel Wright's doing. I don't think anyone is really buying that one anymore. Again, let's see what they got in that binder.

[Guest Derek L]

Yeah, but it's the same answer over and over again: that it was all Nigel Wright's doing. I don't think anyone is really buying that one anymore. Again, let's see what they got in that binder.

Doesn't mater if people are "buying it", there's a presumption of innocence within our society for a very valid reason…………That brings me back to my question:

If the Senator has damning evidence (outside of hearsay) against those that he claims, why has he not made it public, and why has the Senator refused to communicate his grievances against said parties without doing so through his attorney or in a political setting that grants him Parliamentary Privilege?

[cybercoma]

Derek, you're really stretching it.