VIA terror plot

[Guest Kenneth]

The government tried to deport on the the suspects nine years ago:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/04/25/via-train-terror-plot.html

Back in August 2012 this happened:

http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/1494481--rogue-rail-car-rolls-undetected-across-border

According to one news report that I've seen, they're taking another look at this incident.

The new normal in Canada - get used to it people, because this is just the tip of a very, very big ice berg.

[Guest]

Maybe the root cause of his Via Rail terror plot was the fact that Canada tried to deport him. I mean, who wouldn't go over the edge with that kind of persecution?

[Guest Kenneth]

Evidently just one: him.

[GostHacked]

Well the plot was foiled. RCMP and CSIS acted just after the Boston Bombings. If they waited for the FBI to give our guys the go ahead, we could have had trains blow up.

But as long as we keep messing with other parts of the world, they are going to keep messing with us.

[guyser]

Back in August 2012 this happened:

http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/1494481--rogue-rail-car-rolls-undetected-across-border

An empty rail car has exactly what to do with this, apart from nothing?

[Guest Kenneth]

Um, I'll admit I haven't been following the story closely but my understanding is they wanted to derail a train in the Niagara region. A lone rail car rolling along and crashing into an oncoming train at full speed would do what exactly? Cause a detrailment, perhaps?

[guyser]

A lone rail car rolling along and crashing into an oncoming train at full speed would do what exactly? Cause a detrailment, perhaps?

Trains dont run full speed there.

NM , it is immaterial to the thread.

Edited April 26, 2013 by guyser

[PIK]

Attacks are all about optics.

[Guest Kenneth]

Trains dont run full speed there.

NM , it is immaterial to the thread.

Not sure why you're not following this, but they're apparently taking another look at the incident to see if there's a connection to these guys. Whether or not rolling a rail car down the line would result in a derailment or not - obviously in this case it didn't - is beside the point. It's whether one or both, or more, or some other terrorists thought it would and therefore was behind this as well.

[Guest American Woman]

Well the plot was foiled. RCMP and CSIS acted just after the Boston Bombings. If they waited for the FBI to give our guys the go ahead, we could have had trains blow up.

But as long as we keep messing with other parts of the world, they are going to keep messing with us.

Ah, yes. No thread about Canada would be complete without the requisite insulting comment about the United States......

Not sure why you're not following this, but they're apparently taking another look at the incident to see if there's a connection to these guys. Whether or not rolling a rail car down the line would result in a derailment or not - obviously in this case it didn't - is beside the point. It's whether one or both, or more, or some other terrorists thought it would and therefore was behind this as well.

Makes sense to me.

Edited April 26, 2013 by American Woman

[guyser]

Not sure why you're not following this, but they're apparently taking another look at the incident to see if there's a connection to these guys.

Following what? Nowhere in the link does it suggest that, considering it pre-dates all of the recent events.

It's whether one or both, or more, or some other terrorists thought it would and therefore was behind this as well.

...says you I guess. I suppose you can speculate.

They both shopped at Hudsons Bay. Oh boy......better look into it.

Edited April 26, 2013 by guyser

[Guest Kenneth]

I stated that the news reported that they were taking another look at what happened back in August. So no, troll, I'm not speculating - that's actually what was reported in the news. These guys wanted to derail a train in the Niagara region, strangely enough there just happened to be an incident in the Niagara region where a lone rail car rolled along the line for some distance.

I just posted a link of the incident when it was first reported in August 2012 - the news last night said they were taking another look at that incident.

[WWWTT]

A lot of people in Ottawa are calling the timing of these arrests political

Furthermore,the RCMP in the last several years has been called out for being conservative partisan.

Here's a link for back up

http://www.montrealgazette.com/touch/story.html?id=8302206

WWWTT

[cybercoma]

The RCMP is not Conservative partisan. They're expanded powers partisan. It just so happens that the Conservatives really like to expand the police and military. The RCMP really had some choice words for them eliminating the gun registry. So don't think that they care what colour is calling the shots. They just want the power to detain, arrest, and snoop on Canadians without oversight and anyone that gives them those things is their pals.

[jbg]

The government tried to deport on the the suspects nine years ago:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2013/04/25/via-train-terror-plot.html

Back in August 2012 this happened:

http://www.niagarathisweek.com/news/article/1494481--rogue-rail-car-rolls-undetected-across-border

According to one news report that I've seen, they're taking another look at this incident.

The new normal in Canada - get used to it people, because this is just the tip of a very, very big ice berg.

Maybe the root cause of his Via Rail terror plot was the fact that Canada tried to deport him. I mean, who wouldn't go over the edge with that kind of persecution?

The fact that we are even having this discussion makes me ill. These people needed to die while being arrested.

[Guest]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. A dig at JT.

[jbg]

Yeah, I was being sarcastic. A dig at JT.

I'm quite serious.

[Guest]

I'm quite serious.

I wasn't

[GostHacked]

Ah, yes. No thread about Canada would be complete without the requisite insulting comment about the United States......

Makes sense to me.

This has been stated as much so far that the FBI told the RCMP and CSIS to hold off arresting the suspects. It's not an insult. It's just what it is.

[Guest American Woman]

This has been stated as much so far that the FBI told the RCMP and CSIS to hold off arresting the suspects. It's not an insult. It's just what it is.

Then it's pure projection. This act wasn't stopped in the process. There was no "imminent threat" at the time. Perhaps the FBI wanted to hold off in hopes that more of those involved would surface. At any rate, as I said, it was pure projection, which was an insult. Edited April 28, 2013 by American Woman

[Argus]

Ah, yes. No thread about Canada would be complete without the requisite insulting comment about the United States......

I saw no insult. But congratulations on successfully channeling Bush Cheney.... btw, did he get permabanned or something?

[Guest American Woman]

I saw no insult.

I did.

[GostHacked]

Then it's pure projection. This act wasn't stopped in the process. There was no "imminent threat" at the time. Perhaps the FBI wanted to hold off in hopes that more of those involved would surface. At any rate, as I said, it was pure projection, which was an insult.

I would say its conjecture not projection.

But the hopes of getting bigger fish are also quite hilarious. The Fast and Furious gun running from the USA to Mexico in hopes of catching bigger fish are causing more issues on the USA side of the border because those guns came back across the border to be used in crimes. Yea that seemed like a good idea ... right? Solid plan.. right?

You chose to see an insult where there is none.

[Guest American Woman]

I would say its conjecture not projection.

As it happens, I was the one saying it.

Fact is, you have no idea that "if they waited for the FBI to give our guys the go ahead, we could have had trains blow up." To state that it is what would have happened, that the FBI wouldn't have done anything in time, is an insult.

But the hopes of getting bigger fish are also quite hilarious.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about "bigger fish," but yeah - your take on it means more than the FBI's. Because you are so 'in the know' about such matters.

The Fast and Furious gun running from the USA to Mexico in hopes of catching bigger fish are causing more issues on the USA side of the border because those guns came back across the border to be used in crimes. Yea that seemed like a good idea ... right? Solid plan.. right?

That's relevant to this discussion - how??

You chose to see an insult where there is none.

I choose to acknowledge an insult where there is one. When one makes such a speculation, stating it as if fact, it's an insult.

[GostHacked]

As it happens, I was the one saying it.

So this is where you are making an argument out of nothing based on a perceived insult.

Fact is, you have no idea that "if they waited for the FBI to give our guys the go ahead, we could have had trains blow up." To state that it is what would have happened, that the FBI wouldn't have done anything in time, is an insult.

Fact - FBI told RCMP and CSIS to hold off detaining the VIA rail suspects.

Fact - After the Boston bombs, the RCMP and CSIS acted immediately to detain the suspects.

The RCMP and CSIS were not going to take a chance. The plot was to blow up a train that was US bound. If the train blew up, we'd have screams that not enough was done.

The FBI and CIA knew about the Tsarnev brothers for some time. Even the Russian government told the US that they should be watched. The FBI and CIA simply failed to prevent this plot. So based on the things we know now the RCMP did not waste anytime to act.

It is speculation that if they were not detained, we could have had a train or two blow up. But that is not projection or conjecture as that was the perceived threat based on the RCMP and CSIS intelligence gathering coupled with the information and failed actions of the CIA and FBI.

I don't recall anyone saying anything about "bigger fish," but yeah - your take on it means more than the FBI's.

Well if they wanted to wait to see if other people come out from the shadows, then guess what, they are looking for more than just a couple guys. They are checking for a whole network. This is how this all works.

Because you are so 'in the know' about such matters.That's relevant to this discussion - how?? I choose to acknowledge an insult where there is one. When one makes such a speculation, stating it as if fact, it's an insult.

Let's revisit what I said.

Well the plot was foiled. RCMP and CSIS acted just after the Boston Bombings. If they waited for the FBI to give our guys the go ahead, we could have had trains blow up.

Obviously it was speculation on my part that we COULD have had trains blow up. But you have again made an argument out of nothing and seeing an insult where there is none. Could does not mean would.