Cornea Transplant System Broken

[bush_cheney2004]

Why not at all, why would one think that?

A member with your exact user name implied as much above. Must just be a coincidence.

Some of Your posts on this are, and yes I am sorry for the posting of BS.Now now,no one is attacking anyone unless one posts BS. If you think, and it appears so, that you fit the bill, I cant do anything about that.

That's much better....had to drag it out of you...but all is well now. Now that wasn't so bad, was it ?

One way is to be honest in your posts then. The system to get a corneal transport has issues, but the transplants themselves are quite successful here.

The 'system' is dismal, broken, and not up to standards in the "developed world" ( a very popular metric around here, eh?).

[waldo]

although you refused to identity the “U.S. Failings” threads that your Captain America act is attempting to address/counter, I earlier offered up a couple of relatively recent threads that surely must be the cause for this, your latest described relentless pursuit; the two threads: “U.S. Dead Last in Healthcare” and “Why Americans are Fat”.

as I recall, you took real exception to both of those threads. In the “U.S. Dead Last in Healthcare” thread, your exception took the form of you offering significant multiple distractions that allowed you to outright avoid even acknowledging the American sourced report that formed the basis for the thread, for the reports authors so-called American Health Disadvantage summary assessment… you simply refused to accept any of the report’s findings, to discuss anything from the report – to even acknowledge any of the “U.S. Failings” identified by Americans in a report written by Americans for Americans. In the “Why Americans are Fat” thread, you had significant objections to the American sources referenced, particularly the American medical sources describing American obesity as epidemic in scope.

now, clearly, both threads had pointed American originated criticism toward/of your claimed country. Equally though, as I recall, both threads also had some discussion from Canadian MLW members of a commonality of problems and shared learning and betterment opportunities for both Canada and the United States. Obviously, those two threads are just a couple of examples, my examples, since you refused to identify threads you’re taking exception to. Your skewed and improper takeaway from those example threads is quite evident – you treat these exchanges as nothing more than a straight Captain America zero-sum game… you personalized the American sourced criticism to the point you scour the net for any/all opportunity to attempt to counter the threads criticism, any threads criticism, that you’ve internalized given your ultra-sensitivities. It’s most telling that you won’t, that you can’t directly address your sensitivities over what you claim are liberties taken by MLW members in identifying “U.S. Failings”… even when those so-called liberties identifying and writing about the “U.S. Failings” are sourced from Americans, by Americans, for Americans.

Captain, how much did you move the meter... the needle... by pointing out a shared testing protocol standard?

[guyser]

A member with your exact user name implied as much above. Must just be a coincidence.

Not at all.

The bullshit is yours to own.

you just like playing a victim when not trolling these threads. You have some sort of fetish I suppose.

That's much better....had to drag it out of you...but all is well now. Now that wasn't so bad, was it ?

So you confirm your post was bullshit? Ok, didnt figure you would print that but ok.

Thanks for the confirmation

The 'system' is dismal, broken, and not up to standards in the "developed world" ( a very popular metric around here, eh?).

Ooops more bullshit.

The system to obtain and get in timely fashion has issues, the surgery is on top of the workd standards and not as problem for anyone at all.

Our success rate is at the top with the rest .

So, whats up with the 5 months wait for Americans?

[bush_cheney2004]

although you refused to identity the “U.S. Failings” threads that your Captain America act is attempting to address/counter, I earlier offered up a couple of relatively recent threads that surely must be the cause for this, your latest described relentless pursuit; the two threads: “U.S. Dead Last in Healthcare” and “Why Americans are Fat”.

No, you are giving yourself too much credit, as usual. My contrarian defiance is related to a larger CanAm dynamic that was engaged long before you even showed up here.

..... Obviously, those two threads are just a couple of examples, my examples, since you refused to identify threads you’re taking exception to. Your skewed and improper takeaway from those example threads is quite evident

No, and again, you are over thinking this, or just oblivious to the longer term 'Captain America' mission. What interests me are the inconsistencies, delusions, numerous 'merkin dependencies / references, and assumed (smug) superiority as a neurotic cocktail and lack of identity sans Americanos.

Captain, how much did you move the meter... the needle... by pointing out a shared testing protocol standard?

This thread only reflects that which has been reported in Canadian media, and yet, at least one member has reacted reflexively and negatively to deny or diminish the claim(s) made. This repeatable experiment and observed result just happens to involve health care, but the approach works on any number of topics.

[bush_cheney2004]

...The system to obtain and get in timely fashion has issues, the surgery is on top of the workd standards and not as problem for anyone at all.

Our success rate is at the top with the rest .

So, whats up with the 5 months wait for Americans?

The corneal transplant surgery system in Canada does not meet 'world' standards or Canadian expectations. The linked CMA article roundly disputes your deflection to U.S. wait times, as there is no elective wait list there as there is in Canada.

Wish I could find my Don Martin eye bank cartoon......

[waldo]

These kind of stories are slam dunk examples that are an exact match for my breech loading gun aimed at inconsistencies, neuroses, and identity conflicts exhibited here and elsewhere in the context of "U.S. failings".

My contrarian defiance is related to a larger CanAm dynamic that was engaged long before you even showed up here.

oh! You're... defiant! By scouring the net to be able to highlight a common shared testing protocol! And... your incessant trolling and self-described mocking pursuit is simply you addressing a "larger dynamic"! One you artificially inflate, exaggerate and prop-up to suit your self-serving ultra-sensitivities.

.

No, and again, you are over thinking this, or just oblivious to the longer term 'Captain America' mission. What interests me are the inconsistencies, delusions, numerous 'merkin dependencies / references, and assumed (smug) superiority as a neurotic cocktail and lack of identity sans Americanos.

no - I'm not over thinking anything. Your described "U.S. Failings" associated with the liberties you claim MLW members are taking must have MLW thread points of origin - obviously! Well, obviously... unless you're making it all up, unless you're fabricating it all, unless it's all in your mind, right? I gave you a couple of likely threads... relatively recent ones... that "might" account for your Captain America act. I will note you still refuse to actually identify the "U.S. Failings" related threads that you're taking exception to. Surely, you're not making this all up, are you?

.

This repeatable experiment and observed result just happens to involve health care, but the approach works on any number of topics.

yes, clearly... it's already been stated, many times over, that your incessant trolling is boundless; it runs the gamut of all MLW topics/discussion.

[bush_cheney2004]

oh! You're... defiant! By scouring the net to be able to highlight a common shared testing protocol!

But it's not just one 'shared' (???) testing protocol....it is the utter pervasiveness of the U.S., reconciled and accepted by many, but rejected by some in classic identity crisis spasms (well documented by Canadian authors cited in previous threads).

And... your incessant trolling and self-described mocking pursuit is simply you addressing a "larger dynamic"! One you artificially inflate, exaggerate and prop-up to suit your self-serving ultra-sensitivities.

Well, I am having a bite of lunch right now (Dairy Queen.....do you have those in Canada ?....of course....dumb question), but the 'sensitivities' certainly go both ways, otherwise this corneal transplant thread would have gone silent.

....yes, clearly... it's already been stated, many times over, that your incessant trolling is boundless; it runs the gamut of all MLW topics/discussion.

I prefer to think of it as exploring the undiscovered or misunderstood aspects of CanAm relations from a single American's perspective. At the very least, it is an opportunity to represent the realities of American policies without any regret, as there is none in most cases. This requires collaboration, challenges, provocative probes, and maybe a smoke after we're done.

Edited March 22, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[guyser]

The corneal transplant surgery system in Canada does not meet 'world' standards or Canadian expectations.

Of course it does now that the post has been corrected. You changed the post and added a word. Graspping I see.

Disagree? Show me .

Now about the 5 months wait.....

I know,you dont want to go there.

Edited March 22, 2013 by guyser

[bush_cheney2004]

Of course it does now that the post has been corrected. You changed the post and added a word. Graspping I see.

Disagree? Show me .

Now about the 5 months wait.....

I know,you dont want to go there.

You persist, despite the abundance of Canadian sourced evidence indicating a significant problem. I admire the pride, but clearly this issue is exactly where you don't wish to go. Distinguishing surgery from system is not helpful when there is not a well coordinated and qualified corneal tissue supply.

[guyser]

You persist, despite the abundance of Canadian sourced evidence indicating a significant problem.

One you have failed to show me or anyone else.

So post up or shut up. It aint hard to figure out. Give me one article concerning itself about the surgery.

Distinguishing surgery from system is not helpful when there is not a well coordinated and qualified corneal tissue supply.

Oh I see.

Your entire health system , which you like, is really shitty because it costs more than anyone elses.

Thats a fair comment then?

We have a shceduling and donation problem, the surgery is on par with anyone elses.

Again, not hard to follow along unless one has some fetish to try and mock. (which you most certainly do and it would be best aimed at those that mock in return-i do not mock Americans for shits and giggles))

Edited March 22, 2013 by guyser

[bush_cheney2004]

One you have failed to show me or anyone else.

So post up or shut up. It aint hard to figure out. Give me one article concerning itself about the surgery. Oh I see.

Seriously? You're going to stick with that fig leaf ?

Your entire health system , which you like, is really shitty because it costs more than anyone elses.

Thats a fair comment then?

Actions speak louder than your words.....including the American standards Canada can't meet.

We have a shceduling and donation problem, the surgery is on par with anyone elses.

Take it up with the Canadian medical Association.

Again, not hard to follow along unless one has some fetish to try and mock. (which you most certainly do and it would be best aimed at those that mock in return-i do not mock Americans for shits and giggles))

This forum isn't all about you. Capiche ? Use your ignore button....it's free...from America.

[guyser]

Seriously? You're going to stick with that fig leaf ?

LOL....ok I will stick with what I have proven.

You can conjure up anything you want since you cannot and will not post up anything to back you up .

Actions speak louder than your words.....including the American standards Canada can't meet.

Hey, just being fair about it all. Of course the standards are met, it s the sched and donations problem, not surgery

Here , even you can join the links you have made

Canada Trouble with donations and scheduling cornea transplants = bad bad system including the surgery themselves

American health system costs multiple times anyone elses = shitty system

You set the rules, dont pussy out now.

In case it isnt obvious, sched and donation is the issue, not surgery

Take it up with the Canadian medical Association.

I did. They agree with me, we have a sched and donation problem. The #1 place, and largest in North America confirmed my views yesterday.

This forum isn't all about you. Capiche ? Use your ignore button....it's free...from America.

Of course it isnt.

Its just that I dont like bullshit posted, probably the same as you , so I counter it.

And so far , the only thing correct in any of your posts is there is a problem.

Where you bullshit, constantly, is obfuscating the issue of donations and scheds with the surgery themseleves

So, about the 5 month wait time? America stumbling?

How about that shitty system, die younger, pay more, go bankrupt , get tossed from ER if black or poor and on and on.

Or we could yak about the Veterans Hospitals, phew, that one makes Somalia General ER look good . Would you like mould with your sutures....and dont drink the water.

Support the troops...until they get blown up or lose a leg, fuck 'em now !

Woo hoo !!

[bush_cheney2004]

....Of course it isnt.

Its just that I dont like bullshit posted, probably the same as you , so I counter it.

I hope you do better in other threads, because here you have failed to debunk the Canadian Medical Association's own 'dismal' findings.

And so far , the only thing correct in any of your posts is there is a problem.

Where you bullshit, constantly, is obfuscating the issue of donations and scheds with the surgery themseleves

If I cared to dig into it, I'm sure I could find surgery issues as well. But that's not what the story was about.....it's just your fig leaf.

......How about that shitty system, die younger, pay more, go bankrupt , get tossed from ER if black or poor and on and on.

What about it....more than 'black' people down here 'bro...even happens to 'white' people....oh my !

Or we could yak about the Veterans Hospitals, phew, that one makes Somalia General ER look good . Would you like mould with your sutures....and dont drink the water.

...but always time to torture and kill the Somalians ?

Support the troops...until they get blown up or lose a leg, fuck 'em now !

Woo hoo !!

I think somebody needs their nap....what a meltdown !!

[bush_cheney2004]

Donated corneas go to waste in B.C. >

One in 10 donated corneas thrown out in B.C. due to surgery bottleneck

One in ten healthy, donated corneas was thrown out in British
Columbia last year because sight-restoring procedures are considered a
lower priority in the province's hospitals resulting in delayed or
cancelled surgeries, the CBC has learned.

A CBC investigation has revealed that 141 corneas went to waste in
2012 because of surgery cancellations, processing errors, transportation
issues, or because the corneas expired before they were transplanted
into a new host.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2013/03/19/bc-corneal-transplant.html

[guyser]

I hope you do better in other threads, because here you have failed to debunk the Canadian Medical Association's own 'dismal' findings.

I am doing just fine, not once has the CMA said our surgery is a problem, they readily admit it is a simple and easy procedure.

Certainly nothing you have posted refutes that, but you move goalposts for mockery.

If I cared to dig into it, I'm sure I could find surgery issues as well. But that's not what the story was about.....it's just your fig leaf.

Oh of course....if you cared.

You do obviously, since you started this thread to mock, but since you cannot (you tried I know) you'll know say 'if i cared.

Thats funny. If you cared...

What about it....more than 'black' people down here 'bro...even happens to 'white' people....oh my !

Shitty system, caost too much, millions cant access, thrown out of ER....not something you want to address but thats ok.I understand

I think somebody needs their nap....what a meltdown !!

Feeling obviously caught out are we?

You have yet to counter any of my posts , not once, so now it is I that needs a nap?

Go ahead and counter any of my assertions....still waiting 5 pages in and nada so far.

Oh....5 month wait huh...must suck

[bush_cheney2004]

...You have yet to counter any of my posts , not once, so now it is I that needs a nap?

Go ahead and counter any of my assertions....still waiting 5 pages in and nada so far.

Oh....5 month wait huh...must suck

LOL! Stop...please...you are better than this. The evidence for Canada's dismal corneal transplant surgery/system is not refuted. The U.S. has a surplus and exports tissue to Canada. Stop wasting dead American eyeballs !!!

Are you an eye doctor or something ?

[guyser]

LOL! Stop...please...you are better than this. The evidence for Canada's dismal corneal transplant surgery/system is not refuted. The U.S. has a surplus and exports tissue to Canada. Stop wasting dead American eyeballs !!!

Are you an eye doctor or something ?

Go ahead and refute where surgery is a problem then. Ive asked countless times, and no such reply.Why not post up where surgery is an issue. It should be relatively simple...if it were anything close to the truth, But we both know it isnt thruthful, again, sched and donations.

Not an eye doctor at all, but the best one around anywhere has been helpful in this thread.

[bush_cheney2004]

Go ahead and refute where surgery is a problem then. Ive asked countless times, and no such reply.Why not post up where surgery is an issue. It should be relatively simple...if it were anything close to the truth, But we both know it isnt thruthful, again, sched and donations.

Okay....surgery is an issue..."posted up"...right up in here:

The wait for cornea transplants in Windsor, Ont., is

well below the national average. However, there is still room to improve

doctors say.

"My patients wait for a year here in Windsor compared to two or three

years in London, so we're better but we still wait for a year," said

Dr. Ann Chiu, who performs cornea transplants at Hôtel-Dieu Grace.

Ontario patients wait, on average, 18-to-24 months for the surgery.

.....A World Health Organization corneal expert calls the delays, which are

an issue nationwide,"unacceptable and totally unnecessary."

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/windsors-cornea-transplant-wait-time-shorter-average-114828575.html

Not an eye doctor at all, but the best one around anywhere has been helpful in this thread.

????? No comprende....malformed....syntax error.

[guyser]

Okay....surgery is an issue..."posted up"...right up in here:

Not one mention of surgery being a problem, nothing dealing with it being horrible....not a single word.

Is there a problem you have understanding a straightforward question?

Post up anything that suggests surgery for cornea is rife with complications or otherwise has a problem.

You gloss over any problems in the US health system I have brought up....no one wonders why of course.

[waldo]

You gloss over any problems in the US health system I have brought up....no one wonders why of course.

no, no, no... he's too busy claiming to explore a larger dynamic... the greater aspects of CanAm relations! Why would he ever want to acknowledge and speak to the problems within the American Health Disadvantage? That's crazy talk!

[waldo]

oh! You're... defiant! By scouring the net to be able to highlight a common shared testing protocol!

But it's not just one 'shared' (???) testing protocol....it is the utter pervasiveness of the U.S., reconciled and accepted by many, but rejected by some in classic identity crisis spasms (well documented by Canadian authors cited in previous threads).

It’s the example you chose, Captain… with your all-CAPS and bold-highlighted worthiness!

.

As is my custom, I would like to point out that donated tissues are tested in accordance with the EBAA....EYE BANK ASSOCIATION of AMERICA.

your trivial trolling find within that long storied history of the CNIB in Canada simply speaks to the utter pervasiveness that Canada holds over you personally… 30,000+ MLW posts worth! But your mission becomes clearer the more I press: you speak of some MLW members, ‘reconciling and accepting your claimed utter U.S. pervasiveness’… but, obviously, you feel your work is not yet done, you still believe you have much left to do! Your incessant trolling is intended for, as you say, the MLW members in “identity crisis spasms” – those who you believe are rejecting and refusing to accept your claimed utter U.S. pervasiveness. Press on, press on... get the evil-doers!

.

[waldo]

And... your incessant trolling and self-described mocking pursuit is simply you addressing a "larger dynamic"! One you artificially inflate, exaggerate and prop-up to suit your self-serving ultra-sensitivities.

no - I'm not over thinking anything. Your described "U.S. Failings" associated with the liberties you claim MLW members are taking must have MLW thread points of origin - obviously! Well, obviously... unless you're making it all up, unless you're fabricating it all, unless it's all in your mind, right? I gave you a couple of likely threads... relatively recent ones... that "might" account for your Captain America act. I will note you still refuse to actually identify the "U.S. Failings" related threads that you're taking exception to. Surely, you're not making this all up, are you?

Well, I am having a bite of lunch right now (Dairy Queen.....do you have those in Canada ?....of course....dumb question), but the 'sensitivities' certainly go both ways, otherwise this corneal transplant thread would have gone silent.

and still you won’t identify the MLW threads you feel MLW members have taken “U.S. Failings” liberty with. Is there a problem? Just admit you’re making it all up! Any reaction you receive reflects upon the complete and utter disdain you hold for this board and its membership.

[waldo]

....yes, clearly... it's already been stated, many times over, that your incessant trolling is boundless; it runs the gamut of all MLW topics/discussion.

I prefer to think of it as exploring the undiscovered or misunderstood aspects of CanAm relations from a single American's perspective.

from your single (claimed) American’s perspective… through your highlighting of a shared testing protocol… you’re exploring and discovering misunderstood aspects of CanAm relations!!! And no, obviously, all you’re showcasing is nothing more than an ongoing, year over year, display of your juvenile trolling – package it any way you’d like, call it anything you want… it’s trolling, nothing more, nothing less!

[bush_cheney2004]

Not one mention of surgery being a problem, nothing dealing with it being horrible....not a single word.

"Ontario patients wait, on average, 18-to-24 months for the surgery."

Is there a problem you have understanding a straightforward question?

Yes...you are upset...and you how you get when you are upset.

Post up anything that suggests surgery for cornea is rife with complications or otherwise has a problem.

My...do I have to post photos of the actual surgery and wasted tissue in a medical waste receptacle ?

You gloss over any problems in the US health system I have brought up....no one wonders why of course.

No, I embrace them as examples in liberty, and the U.S. system still manages to replace corneas 'mo better than in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

no, no, no... he's too busy claiming to explore a larger dynamic... the greater aspects of CanAm relations! Why would he ever want to acknowledge and speak to the problems within the American Health Disadvantage? That's crazy talk!

But you insisted that I stay on topic.....and the topic is dismal corneal transplant surgery/system in Canada. You wouldn't go off topic, would you?