shortlived Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Does this mean thay are now the CAF rather than the CF? http://www.canada.com/Canadian+Forces+quietly+name/8085657/story.html http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/home-accueil-eng.asp looks like the website hasn't made new banners and updates to all their webpages yet....................... Edited March 13, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Does this mean thay are now the CAF rather than the CF? http://www.canada.com/Canadian+Forces+quietly+name/8085657/story.html http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/home-accueil-eng.asp looks like the website hasn't made new banners and updates to all their webpages yet....................... The National Defence Act has always stated: "The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces." Nothing's been renamed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortlived Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) The National Defence Act has always stated: "The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces." Nothing's been renamed. Holy ship http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/home-accueil-eng.asp just went dead... Its back up again though... none the less... I think that the use of Canadian Forces as opposed to Canadian Armed forces seems to be how they brand themselves online. example http://www.forces.gc.ca/site/commun/message/index-eng.asp They arn't Canadian Armed Forces members they are Canadian Forces Members.... what do the forces military ID's say etc... Its nothing like it was in the past... back when the forces were merged it was simply department of national defence.. the old cards were more like the US military IDs the new ones look nothing like it.. and are the world Canadian Armed Forces anywhere on them? Everything I have seen seems to indicate Canadian Forces is used everywhere. Edited March 13, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I think that the use of Canadian Forces as opposed to Canadian Armed forces seems to be how they brand themselves online. The name of the forces is the Canadian Armed Forces. What this is appearing more to be about is the choice between acknowledging that fact or covering it up. But, nothing has been renamed. ack when the forces were merged it was simply department of national defence.. The forces are still merged. The ministry is still called the Department of National Defence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortlived Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) The name of the forces is the Canadian Armed Forces. What this is appearing more to be about is the choice between acknowledging that fact or covering it up. But, nothing has been renamed. The forces are still merged. The ministry is still called the Department of National Defence. It seems that Canadian Armed Force is not used though, where is it used ? example canadian forces is used in the act... 2. (1) The Governor in Council may make regulations for the organization, training, discipline, efficiency, administration and good government of the Canadian Forces and you don't seem to be correct, it doesn't say Canadian Armed Forces in the act... where are you getting that from? http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/N-5/ the act seems to ignore its own self declaration...14. The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces. This is the only place armed seems to occur and the DND does not call the Canadian Forces the Canadian Armed Forces. lwtf. Edited March 14, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) [T]he act seems to ignore its own self declaration...14. The Canadian Forces are the armed forces of Her Majesty raised by Canada and consist of one Service called the Canadian Armed Forces. There's no contradiction. "[O]ne service called the Canadian Armed Forces" says it very clearly. The DND does not call the Canada forces the canadian armed forces. I thought the big "scandal" (*cough, cough*) was that the DND was now calling it by its proper name: Canadian Armed Forces. As I said, this appears more to be about covering up or not covering up the CF's proper name, rather than anything being actually renamed. [ed.: font] Edited March 13, 2013 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 (edited) Stephen Harper and the Canadian Conservatives have worked very hard to compensate Canada by putting the 'Armed,' into the Canadian Forces. Edited March 13, 2013 by kairos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortlived Posted March 14, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) The name of the forces is the Canadian Armed Forces. What this is appearing more to be about is the choice between acknowledging that fact or covering it up. But, nothing has been renamed. The forces are still merged. The ministry is still called the Department of National Defence. So why does the act use Canadian Forces everytime it refers to them except s. 14? Doesn't it mean the opposite then. It says they are the Canadian Forces when they are armed and raised from the Canadian Armed Forces, which is a service. So the Canadian Forces are armed, and the Canadian Armed Forces are unarmed. That is what it says very clearly. 14. THE CANADIAN FORCES ARE THE ARMED FORCES of Her Majesty ... "raised by Canada" ... AND CONSIST OF ONE SERVICE called the Canadian Armed Forces. So clearly the service is the Canadian Armed Forces, but the Canadian Forces are armed, and the Canadian Armed Forces are just a service, not armed. . note that armed used in 14. for the Canadian Forces is a small letter a meaning, armed, while the Armed in the Canadian Armed Forces part is a capital A designating a proper named noun. Thus the Canadian Forces as stated above, are indeed armed, while the Canadian Armed Forces, are a service, which is not stated as armed anywhere in the act, other than when they are raised and become the Canadian Forces. (By the power of PEI!) Edited March 14, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 CF was chretiens idea, remember when he called them just a bunch of boy scouts. The word armed scares the hell out of the left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Before crietiens term in office, DND was call the Canadian Armed forces, used to be on most Military aircraft,recruiting posters,Buses etc...But the liberals had it changed it was to "military" for them, did not present the image they want to project. So it was changed to just Canadian forces, much less Military, and projected a much gentler image.... It is what it is, those that serve in it understand , and frankly could not care what you called it, we know what our jobs are, regardless of what they called us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 So why does the act use Canadian Forces everytime it refers to them except s. 14? Because there's nothing wrong with referring to it as the "Canadian Forces". It's just not the official name. The official name has always been "Canadian Armed Forces", meaning the return to a more frequent usage of that term by the current government and military is not a "rebranding" or "renaming", as it's been made out to be in the media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 CF was chretiens idea, remember when he called them just a bunch of boy scouts. The word armed scares the hell out of the left. It has been called the Canadian Armed Forces since amalgamation in 1968 and it was referred to often as such until the 1990s. The government was Liberal in 1968 and through much of the decades between then and the '90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIK Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 It has been called the Canadian Armed Forces since amalgamation in 1968 and it was referred to often as such until the 1990s. The government was Liberal in 1968 and through much of the decades between then and the '90s. Yes , untill chretien changed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Does the name change, change the way the forces go about their operations? No? Then this is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (edited) Yes , untill chretien changed it. He didn't change it. His government just emphasised the term "Canadian Forces". Regardless, you can hardly claim the word "armed" "scares the Hell out of the Left" when the official name of the military--the Canadian Armed Forces--was used by Liberal governments from 1968 to 199?. [ed.: +] Edited March 14, 2013 by g_bambino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Its good to see the cons are occupying their time in office with irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Its good to see the cons are occupying their time in office with irrelevance. How much time, exactly, do you think this non-issue occupied? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Clearly enough to pass it through parliament. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bambino Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 Clearly enough to pass it through parliament. Pass what through parliament? Can you link to the bill that was passed, or something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Κairos Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) They had to pass it somehow. Which ever way they did, it shows that they obviously don't find they have much else better to do in Ottawa. Edited March 15, 2013 by Κairos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 How come your post count went back to one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Κairos Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 Magic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shortlived Posted March 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 (edited) How come your post count went back to one? K vs k Small k BIG K in the name. No maybenot. Edited March 15, 2013 by shortlived Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 No it was changed, it was changed on the side of the Aircraft, Buses, and recruiting posters. Why it was changed they did not say, but the Liberals had it done at some expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 K vs k Small k BIG K in the name. No maybenot. Missed that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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