So should there be an Ontario Election? 2013

[Boges]

Pupatello and Wynne don't want one. In fact Saaaaandra doesn't even have a seat so she wouldn't bring the house back until she gets a bi-election.

Windsor is a strong NDP area, so there's no guarantee she'd win a seat.

The PCs want an election right away but I'm curious what would make NDPers happy to work with these people.

If the house sits again, I'm hoping the opposition goes right back and pounds away at the Liberals on the scandal that is the Power Plant switcheroo.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Boges

[MiddleClassCentrist]

Based on recent polls, an immediate election is more likely to play out well for opposition parties at the expense of the liberals.

Likely winner would be PC, NDP would still possibly come in third but potentially gain some seats. NDP victory not likely.

If I were Hudak's advisor, I'd tell him to release some feel good, social initiatives as a back drop for his hard on unions/far right initiatives.

I think the Liberal strategy was to push right, to force Hudak further right to scare off moderate voters into holding their nose to vote Liberal again.

I think the NDP could gain but they'd need quite the orange wave, with screw ups from PC/Libs disillusioning their support, to pull off a victory.

One thing is for sure, the Liberal Government has been so magnificently incompetent, they can't be allowed back in... but the opposition needs to show that they are the ones to put in place.

[Topaz]

I don't think you can count the NDP out. No one saw the NDP taking the election when Rae was leader. There's too many things people don't like about Hudak but if the Greater Toronto area and the rest of the horseshoe love him ,then the PC's are in and so if this happens, people in those areas better not complain, when the Harris style of governing returns.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

I don't think you can count the NDP out. No one saw the NDP taking the election when Rae was leader. There's too many things people don't like about Hudak but if the Greater Toronto area and the rest of the horseshoe love him ,then the PC's are in and so if this happens, people in those areas better not complain, when the Harris style of governing returns.

I'm just trying to stand back and look at the odds based on current information. NDP could win, and campaign trail performance would be a key decision maker.

Lots of people would jump ship from Liberals to NDP, Some actually flip flop between PC and NDP. But their support is widespread. PC support is focused, Liberal support is focused. Focused support wins seats.

Edited January 22, 2013 by MiddleClassCentrist

[scribblet]

There should be a spring election. I'm predicting a conservative minority, better if Hudak improves.

[Boges]

There should be a spring election. I'm predicting a conservative minority, better if Hudak improves.

It depends what the NDP demand for peace. Last Summer they demanded a delay on corporate tax cuts and a 2% surtax on wealthy people. Will they demand a reversal of the Bill 115 contract for peace this time? Has Pupatello won we'd more than likely be going to the polls because she was just looking for a fight. Wynne seems far more diplomatic.

[Topaz]

I think Sandra should think about running for the feds , either NDP or liberal. There wouldn't be a dull moments in the House and more interesting to watch. They need more women in the House and she could certainly hold her own against the Tories.

[MiddleClassCentrist]

It depends what the NDP demand for peace. Last Summer they demanded a delay on corporate tax cuts and a 2% surtax on wealthy people. Will they demand a reversal of the Bill 115 contract for peace this time? Has Pupatello won we'd more than likely be going to the polls because she was just looking for a fight. Wynne seems far more diplomatic.

Liberals siding with NDP to pass budget is my bet now. PC's have the most to gain from an election and want it badly. They have been releasing policy statements in that direction.

[Muddy]

Hudat is a light weight. If I was Wynne I would try and get myself a mandate. Whoops,that last word could have two meaning ! Wynne, has her hands full with the moving of the gas plants. That was criminal ! Incompetence is forgiveable ,but not what the Liberals did to gain two seats at the expense of the taxpayers. Shame ! They should be held to account. But by who? The media will not hold the Liberals to account once an election starts.

[cybercoma]

Any time a leader is replaced, either federally or provincially, there ought to be a new election as soon as possible.

[shortlived]

I think the budget this thursday/throne speech will pass, I have mixed feelings on this

1. Cost of an election is wasteful

2. I think it could go Tory, and the NDP probably don't want that even if they pick up a seat or two.

3. If the Tories don't win the game will be the same but if the liberals take one more seat they have a majority

None the less, the more I see the government they appear as a pretty soft and easy group, and they engage, but they more and more appear more talk and less action. I think the government they are suppose to run is just totally corrupt though, I personally don't have confidence in the government, but I always have the sense is there some other option that won't be worse?

Of course there is also the whole, an appointed premier by the party isn't a leader who was elected to be premier. but in my head it doesn't play out that way. Interaction with the government didn't appear to be publically centralized anyway. It was a very departmentalized government.

Although I do think it is corrupt I'm not sure the PC would be any less corrupt if they were in.

The scariest part is, at the public will hundreds of millions of dollars has just disappeared more or less, that is never good.

The government is corrupt but it could be worse.

The cabinet has thinned out a bit to say the least. This ins't the same public band as it was 5 years ago though.

then of course you have this..

http://www.oyetimes.com/news/canada/36576-polls-show-increase-in-ontario-liberals-support-since-wynne-s-victory

they have been teflon..

If I was Tory I'd kill it, if I was NDP I would be reluctant to have a Tory government in place of a liberal government that give in to some of their pleas, especially a Tory majority....

I always feel like the Tories are out of touch, as such I can never feel confident with them, the liberals are corrupt (or illicit a corrupt government through non management) and the NDP always appears as labour to me, which also isn't my cup.

There is just no party committed to public service and public well being without partisan self gain as the golden rule.

I think I should know soon what type of government Wynne is behind.

Edited February 20, 2013 by shortlived