NOAH'S ARK GREAT FLOOD Update

[dre]

Good question plus getting two of every creature to permit them to procreate later on is a bad idea.

I wonder how they stopped the dinorsaurs from eating the other animals....

[Guest Manny]

Easy. They let them watch TV. They were so distracted by the obvious, upfront in your face movies from places like Hollywood that they never had time, or desire, to reflect on their own true nature.

[Canuckistani]

I wonder how they stopped the dinorsaurs from eating the other animals....

No dinos = they didn't make it on the ark, which is why they died out. God then buried them in sediments that appear to atheist scientists to be millions of years old, but are of course less than 9000 years old. God did this to test the faith of Christians. Actually I think he made Jesus do it if he wanted to get his allowance that week.

[jbg]

And yet you list the historical existence of Sodom and Gomorrah among your list of "facts" that prove the Bible is true.

I am certainly a "not Betsy." However, as I said above "(f)rankly, I believe the Bible is metaphorically, not literally true." (link) I think that the story served two purposes: (1) to highlight the evils of abnormal sex; and (2) to explain the origins of the Dead Sea. To this day, deviant sexual practices are the norm in non-Israeli Middle East.

[kimmy]

Perhaps it was a fable, made up to explain how the Dead Sea got there and to warn the kids what happens if you don't listen to what the priests say. Or perhaps there was an actual natural disaster which was embellished over time and to which priests attached their own message. I don't object to those interpretations. But the whole story? Raging gay sex rape gangs, angels, fire from the sky, chicks turning into salt, the righteous man negotiating with god, the righteous man offering his daughters to the rape gang to save the angels, all the bells and whistles? I'm not prepared to believe that stuff without good evidence, and there just isn't any.

Same deal with Noah's Ark. Could there have been a flood? Sure. Could there have been a flood that exterminated all life on earth except a handful of people and many thousands of animals on a magic boat? Not without evidence.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

Same deal with Noah's Ark. Could there have been a flood? Sure. Could there have been a flood that exterminated all life on earth except a handful of people and many thousands of animals on a magic boat? Not without evidence.

Well, as stories go, it's no more far fetched than the entire universe starting as a very dense object with the total volume of a zit.

[Canuckistani]

Well, as stories go, it's no more far fetched than the entire universe starting as a very dense object with the total volume of a zit.

Sad, really. You've gotta wonder about the education system in the US.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Canuckistani

[bush_cheney2004]

Yes, lots of Canadians go south for a much better university experience.

[Canuckistani]

Yes, lots of Canadians go south for a much better university experience.

If that's what they're being taught there, please keep them. But I bet that's not what mainstream unis there teach their students. Just Big Bob's Bible College and School of Vacuum Repair.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Canuckistani

[bush_cheney2004]

If that's what they're being taught there, please keep them......

No need to "keep them", as many stay on their own for better job and career opportunities. They get used to having more money that says "In God We Trust" instead of "Elizabeth II, by the Grace of God, yada yada yada.

[kimmy]

Well, as stories go, it's no more far fetched than the entire universe starting as a very dense object with the total volume of a zit.

(A theory founded by a Catholic priest, as I recall.)

Relativity and quantum mechanics are constantly providing us with astounding new information; sadly none of it can explain how to fit 100,000 animals on a boat for a year.

Yes, lots of Canadians go south for a much better university experience.

Columbia, Harvard, M.I.T... but not Bob Jones University.

-k

[Canuckistani]

(A theory founded by a Catholic priest, as I recall.)

Relativity and quantum mechanics are constantly providing us with astounding new information; sadly none of it can explain how to fit 100,000 animals on a boat for a year.

Er hum. We've already identified 1.5 million animal species, of which maybe 1 million live on land. We're finding thousands of new species every year, plus there are the species we know have gone extinct in human memory. So that would be at least 2 million animals that would have had to find a place on the ark, since none evolved since the flood. Also the seeds for about 300,000 plant species, plus all the bacteria and viruses kept in safe storage.

Edited January 2, 2013 by Canuckistani

[bush_cheney2004]

(A theory founded by a Catholic priest, as I recall.)

Relativity and quantum mechanics are constantly providing us with astounding new information; sadly none of it can explain how to fit 100,000 animals on a boat for a year.

But alas...the answer to that riddle is contained in your previous response.

Columbia, Harvard, M.I.T... but not Bob Jones University.

Don't forget the dedicated seminaries.....

The Association of Theological Schools reported 251 member schools in the United States and Canada in 2005. (In the U.S., there were 215.) The vast majority of those schools are accredited. Others are working toward accreditation. Of those schools, 141 were Protestant, 53 were non-denominational or inter-denominational, 54 were Roman Catholic, and three were Orthodox Christian. Enrollment in all 251 member schools was 81,302 in 2005.

[Canuckistani]

I forgot. For the 2 million animals, he would have also brought food for a couple of months, and a way to keep the meat in reasonable shape. Also, just how big was Noah's family that they could feed and water 2 million animals and then shovel all their shit overboard? Busy busy busy.

[kimmy]

But alas...the answer to that riddle is contained in your previous response.

Which riddle am I supposed to be answering?

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

Which riddle am I supposed to be answering?

How to get millions of animals on a boat. Remember, your camp believes the ENTIRE UNIVERSE was contained in a pea sized volume ! This is necessary for all that fancy math and figurin' to work out right.

Edited January 2, 2013 by bush_cheney2004

[betsy]

No... more like...

BETSY: Yet another confirmation!

EVERYONE ELSE: Of what? Floods?

BETSY: Yet another confirmation!

EVERYONE ELSE: Of what? Floods?

BETSY: That evidence(s) supports the historicity of the Bible!

[betsy]

How to get millions of animals on a boat. Remember, your camp believes the ENTIRE UNIVERSE was contained in a pea sized volume ! This is necessary for all that fancy math and figurin' to work out right.

Ha-ha-ha! Excellent one! I almost choked on my coffee!

[betsy]

And they found a couple of sites that might have been (but probably aren't) Sodom and Gomorrah, but nothing to support any of the stuff that's supposed to have occurred. No gay rape gangs; no "righteous man" offering his daughters to rape gangs; no angels, no rains of fire, no chicks turning into salt, no smiting. So big deal. Once again, you found London but no wizards. Yippee.

You talk about no evidences of gay rape guys, or a "righteous" man offering his daughters for gangrape etc.,

This is why I wonder if you understand what archeology is all about.

Archaeology is the study of the ancient and recent human past through material remains. It is a subfield of anthropology, the study of all human culture. From million-year-old fossilized remains of our earliest human ancestors in Africa, to 20th century buildings in present-day New York City, archaeology analyzes the physical remains of the past in pursuit of a broad and comprehensive understanding of human culture.

http://www.saa.org/F...46/Default.aspx

Maybe if archeology discovers a diary by one of the gay-rape guys or any of the characters involved in that Biblical story...

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[betsy]

For those that missed it the first time: the fact that London exists doesn't qualify as evidence that the events in Harry Potter actually happened, or as evidence that wizards are real.

You sure about your analogy? How are we supposed to take it?

The fact that London exists doesn't qualify as evidence that the events in Harry Potter actually happened, or evidence that wizards are real........ means JK ROWLING doesn't exists?

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[betsy]

The good book wasn't always so widely read.

Although that was probably due to literacy (lack thereof) and technology (books not cheap) and one can often do well to control others access to "sacred" ideas.

Whether it's actually read, or simply adorning shelves is one thing....but it's been widely bought! In fact it's the #1 best selling book of all time!

Rank Author Book First

Publication

Date Approximate

Sales 1 Various The Holy Bible c. 1451-55 More than 6 Billion 2 Mao Tse-Tung Quotations from Chairman Mao 1966 900,000,000 3 Noah Webster The American Spelling Book 1783 Up to 100,000,000 4 Mark C. Young Guiness Book of World Records 1955 More than 90,000,000 5 World Almanac Editors World Almanac 1868 73,500,000 6 William Holmes McGuffey The McGuffey Readers 1836 60,000,000 7 Benjamin Spock The Common

http://home.comcast....llingbooks.html

In the year 2001, and these are the latest figures I have, the United Bible Societies alone distributed 23.2 million complete Bibles, 19 million New Testaments, 512.9 million Gospels or portions of the Bible. That’s a total of 555.1 million in just one year, 2001, and this was just one Bible distributor, of which there are many. To help you to grasp this figure, if all these pieces of the Bible were the size of my Bible – my Bible is twenty-four centimetres long, and there are much bigger ones around of course – and if you were to take this as a standard size and put them end to end, they’d reach to the moon and back and back to the moon again, and would reach back towards earth to 63 thousand kilometres before running out. Just to help you get a picture of how many Bibles and Scriptures were distributed in 2001 alone.

Or put another way, that meant there were 17 every second of that year, 1,200 every minute, 61,200 every hour, 1,468, 800 sold or distributed every single day! If a book today sells a million copies, it’s a best seller in its lifetime. This book, in 2001, from one distributor, distributed almost one and a half million every day!

http://www.livingtruth.ca/pdf/transcriptions/WOG/WOG_TR2.pdf

Edited January 2, 2013 by betsy

[kimmy]

How to get millions of animals on a boat. Remember, your camp believes the ENTIRE UNIVERSE was contained in a pea sized volume ! This is necessary for all that fancy math and figurin' to work out right.

How to crush vast amounts of matter into zero volume? That's the easy part. Read about Black Holes and Gravitational Singularities.

How to crush a million animals onto a crappy boat? I could suggest a blender, or ... are you familiar with beef jerky? That could work. Of course, the animals would be poorly suited to repopulating the earth afterward. But very tasty. At least Noah would have something to snack on during his voyage.

-k

[kimmy]

You talk about no evidences of gay rape guys, or a "righteous" man offering his daughters for gangrape etc.,

This is why I wonder if you understand what archeology is all about.

Maybe if archeology discovers a diary by one of the gay-rape guys or any of the characters involved in that Biblical story...

Well, there's no good reason to assume such a culture existed, and good reasons to assume it didn't. If everybody in these cities was obsessed with gay sex... how did they become the metropolis of their region, as described? Why would anybody except raging homos live there? Why didn't they die out in a generation? Where did the baby Sodomites come from? Why would any merchant go there if they knew they were in for a bad night of gay rape as soon as they got to town? Seems pretty improbable that a culture like that could survive and thrive as a city.

Hmm. The gay rapist wanted to pound the angels as soon as they got to town... what about Lot? How long did he live there? Are we *sure* about how righteous Lot really was?

You sure about your analogy? How are we supposed to take it?

The fact that London exists doesn't qualify as evidence that the events in Harry Potter actually happened, or evidence that wizards are real........ means JK ROWLING doesn't exists?

We know JK Rowling exists. We don't know that anything she wrote about is a fact. Discovering London doesn't corroborate her stories.

We know that the ancient desert mooks who wrote the Bible also existed. We don't know that anything they wrote is a fact either. Discovering a flood in the Black Sea region doesn't corroborate their stories.

-k

[bush_cheney2004]

....How to crush a million animals onto a crappy boat? I could suggest a blender, or ... are you familiar with beef jerky? That could work. Of course, the animals would be poorly suited to repopulating the earth afterward. But very tasty. At least Noah would have something to snack on during his voyage.

Think smaller......as in DNA and genome sequences !

[GostHacked]

Harry Potter novels are fiction. If you believe fiction, then you will believe anything.