Mass shooting

[guyser]

In this country, street gangs are made up largely of immigrants and the 1st gen kids of immigrants. On the west coast it's various Asian/Western Asian gangs.

Im not so sure about this...

Nafekh (2002) explored the characteristics of Aboriginal federal inmates who were gang members while Craig et al. (2002) limited their sample boys who spoke French as their first language and had parents who were born in Quebec. Other studies described a variety of ethnic demographics. Thirty-eight percent of the Montreal youth in Hamel et al.'s (1998) study had Canadian-born parents, 19% had a Haitian background, 16% had a Latin American background, and the others were from a variety of backgrounds. In the Vancouver study (Gordon & Foley, 1998), the largest group was comprised of Asian gang members (45%), followed by Caucasian (20%), Aboriginal (14%), Middle Eastern (8%), Indo-Canadian (5%), African Canadian (3%) and Hispanic (2%).

The ethnic variation of gang composition has also been seen on a national level. The Astwood (2004) police survey reported on the composition of gang members across Canada: African-Canadian (25%), First Nations (22%), Caucasian (18%), Asian (12%), East Indian (14%), Latino/Hispanic (6%), and Middle Eastern (3%). British Columbia had the highest proportion of Asian members (37%). Saskatchewan, Alberta and Manitoba had the highest representation of First Nations members (96%, 58%, and 58% respectively). Ontario had the greatest percentage of East Indian members (21%). Ontario also reported a high proportion of African Canadian members (36%) as did Quebec (51%) and Nova Scotia (48%). Nova Scotia had a high proportion of Caucasian members (47%). The respondents also indicated that 36% of the youth gangs had members of two or more ethnic/racial groups, averaging from less than 1% in Nova Scotia to 46% in British Columbia.

Finally, examining ethnic composition in federal inmate gang members, Nafekh and Stys (2004) reported that there were 916 identified urban gang affiliates in prison between 1996 and 2003, of which 37% were African-Canadian, 29% were Caucasian, 20% were Aboriginal, 3% were Asian, and 11% were from other backgrounds.

It would appear, regionally you are correct (re West COast) but overall not correct.

[Guest Derek L]

How many rocket launchers have been used to wipe out classrooms in Canada? Gee, you're right. No reason people shouldn't own rocket launchers.

Except here's the thing. There mere statement that you WANT to own a 50 cal snipers rifle is, in the opinion of a lot of people, more than enough proof that you are indeed batshit crazy.

I never said I wanted to own one, but if I did, I can currently purchase one (online) with a regular PAL and $10500

http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/4000/Accuracy-International-AX50-50-BMG-Rifle-Information.aspx

[Argus]

He's projecting his anger at the shooting onto BC-2004. BC-2004 didn't do it...

He'd do better to just put BC2004 into Ignore like so many others here.

[Argus]

I already have it, as do other Canadian gun owners with an RPAL........

Personally, all you've convinced me of is that we should do away with the ability for ANYONE other than the authorities to own ANY restricted weapons in this country, and that includes hand guns. I once allowed for the target shooting thing as a hobby. I no longer do. I'm now for banning all hand guns, all restricted weapons, in collections or not, as well as keeping hunting rifles/shotguns in a locked public storage depot in urban areas. I no longer accept the desire of people like to fondle their phallic toys as a reasonable excuse for the danger posed to society by these guns being out there.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Argus

[Argus]

Im not so sure about this...

It would appear, regionally you are correct (re West COast) but overall not correct.

I dunno. Do you really think a Nova Scotia street gang of white boys is anything like a street gang of Jamaicans in Toronto?

In every other province mentioned the great majority of the gang members were non-whites, mainly immigrants. I don't think I ever tried to suggest there weren't lots of white criminals, or that there weren't some white gangs, but by and large they're ethnics and natives.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Argus

[Guest Derek L]

Personally, all you've convinced me of is that we should do away with the ability for ANYONE other than the authorities to own ANY restricted weapons in this country, and that includes hand guns. I once allowed for the target shooting thing as a hobby. I no longer do. I'm now for banning all hand guns, all restricted weapons, in collections or not, as well as keeping hunting rifles/shotguns in a locked public storage depot in urban areas. I no longer accept the desire of people like you to fondle your toys as a reasonable excuse for the danger posed to society by these guns being out there.

You can try, but compliance levels with the former LGR weren’t anything to jump up and down over……….

[Argus]

I never said I wanted to own one, but if I did, I can currently purchase one (online) with a regular PAL and $10500

http://www.wolverine...nformation.aspx

The 'you' was not referring to you in particular, just anyone who feels the need to pay that kind of money for a rifle.

[Guest Derek L]

The 'you' was not referring to you in particular, just anyone who feels the need to pay that kind of money for a rifle.

Why does the cost mater?

[Argus]

You can try, but compliance levels with the former LGR weren’t anything to jump up and down over……….

I didn't support the registry myself. It was a crappy system that made no sense. A total ban, on the other hand, is something else again, especially if enforced with multi-year mandatory sentences for anyone caught with one.

[Argus]

Why does the cost mater?

Because anyone who wants a sniper rifle so badly they're willing to spend that much for one has probably got a screw loose.

I make more money than most of the people in this country and I wouldn't consider paying that much for a rifle for a second.

[bush_cheney2004]

He'd do better to just put BC2004 into Ignore like so many others here.

Good advice, because I am not backing down in the face of posers with Canadian ideas about what American rights should be.

[bush_cheney2004]

Why does the cost mater?

Good question....they must be thinking about F-35s again.

[Guest Derek L]

I didn't support the registry myself. It was a crappy system that made no sense. A total ban, on the other hand, is something else again, especially if enforced with multi-year mandatory sentences for anyone caught with one.

That was the punishment for being caught with an unregistered firearm………At the peak, the LGR saw ~7-7.5 million firearms registered within Canada………The RCMP under PET in the late 70s conducted a study trying to determine how many firearms there were in Canada based on legal imports, domestically manufactured and guns sold surplus to Government requirements….Their figure in the late 70s was anywhere between 16-21 million firearms……..And said number has increased over the last 30+ years….

Do the math.

[Guest Derek L]

Because anyone who wants a sniper rifle so badly they're willing to spend that much for one has probably got a screw loose.

I make more money than most of the people in this country and I wouldn't consider paying that much for a rifle for a second.

Well yeah, you don't like guns.........

[Guest Derek L]

Good question....they must be thinking about F-35s again.

I would never pay that much for a piece of modern art, doesn't mean I think it should be banned.

[bush_cheney2004]

.... A total ban, on the other hand, is something else again, especially if enforced with multi-year mandatory sentences for anyone caught with one.

Multi-year mandatory sentences in Canada don't mean jack.

[Argus]

Well yeah, you don't like guns.........

Actually, I am, like most guys in our culture, somewhat attracted to them. If not for the pita of going through the licencing thing I'd probably have a hand gun in my house. I do understand the feel that so many others have that a gun will protect them. However, the statistical evidence is quite conclusive that the presence of these guns in society leads to far, far and away more deaths from murder, suicide and accidents than they ever save or protect. So from a community safety perspective I think the guns have no place in an urban environment.

[Argus]

I would never pay that much for a piece of modern art, doesn't mean I think it should be banned.

Modern art has to fall on you to kill you.

[Merlin]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Would the people be any less dead if he had registered his firearms? Plus bad guys will always have guns no matter what the law is.

[BubberMiley]

Well yeah, you don't like guns.........

It's clear that those who are so aroused by them are ticking time bombs who are only further aroused by school shootings like this one. I honestly don't believe the gun nuts feel anything by incidents like that at all, and all of them are capable of doing the same.

Ban them all and lock the wackos up if they resist, I say.

[BubberMiley]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever read on these forums.

[Guest Derek L]

Actually, I am, like most guys in our culture, somewhat attracted to them. If not for the pita of going through the licencing thing I'd probably have a hand gun in my house. I do understand the feel that so many others have that a gun will protect them. However, the statistical evidence is quite conclusive that the presence of these guns in society leads to far, far and away more deaths from murder, suicide and accidents than they ever save or protect. So from a community safety perspective I think the guns have no place in an urban environment.

The process isn’t that bad, don’t believe me, Kimmy just got her licence and Smallc is getting his………..Go ahead, get it, I guarantee you won’t wake-up a different person with thoughts of terrorizing society…………Everybody is doing it.

[Merlin]

That is the stupidest thing I've ever read on these forums.

Sorry but it's true. Lay a gun on the table and tell it to kill. It's the person who does the killing, not the tool employed. He could've just as easily used a knife or a sledgehammer.

If his guns were registered under Canada's old registry would the people be any less dead?

Will bad guys stop having guns because the government bans them?

edit - we don't need knee jerk reactionaries wetting their pants every time something happens.

Edited December 18, 2012 by Merlin

[Guest Derek L]

Modern art has to fall on you to kill you.

And someone has to apply pressure to a trigger to kill someone with a gun (In it's intended way).............

[Argus]

The process isn’t that bad, don’t believe me, Kimmy just got her licence and Smallc is getting his………..Go ahead, get it, I guarantee you won’t wake-up a different person with thoughts of terrorizing society…………Everybody is doing it.

Too much bother for the value. I don't feel like taking firearms safety courses or joining a gun club, which would be needed if I was to pretend I wanted the gun for target shooting. If I ever move out to the boonies with their far longer police response times who knows. But don't need one in the city.