First nations patiences waning

[jbg]

You were indeed a privileged child. I could only dream of a transistor birthday at that age.

The radio cost $6.99 from Lafayette Electronics.

[Michael Hardner]

Independent Auditor Report (short):

http://www.aadnc-aan...4776386_eng.pdf

This is the comprehensive audit report. Scroll to bottom of the article for the audit report.

http://www.cbc.ca/ne...dit-monday.html

130 pages.

Yes, it was leaked - not released. And it couldn't have been presented at trial as smallc seems to be saying, supporting Bryan's supposition.

Having just started looking into this, there's a lot of emotion on both sides and a lot of sloganeering. The question I'm still wondering is whether Harper has the ability to navigate the politics here. The Liberals can't lose by turning up the heat on this one as it could challenge the entire omnibus.

[TimG]

Excellent commentary:

http://fullcomment.n...inal-community/

The fundamentalists represent the traditional agenda of aboriginal activists, focused heavily on the legal and political arena. In this model, the advancement of aboriginal peoples is at heart a collective matter, based on treaty rights, land claims and reserves under communal property ownership.

The modernizers would not, I think, deny the importance of much of this. But their focus is less on abstract constitutional principles and more on giving individual natives and bands the tools they need to participate in a modern, market-based economy: education, for example, and property rights, a particular concern of Jules (he is co-author of Beyond the Indian Act: Restoring Aboriginal Property Rights).

The government cant negotiate with the fundamentalists because they don't want compromise. They don't want a resolution. They are wedded to their ideology.

The government can negotiate with the modernizers. These are the people who should be getting the media attention. Not the wackos.

Edited January 8, 2013 by TimG

[Michael Hardner]

The radio cost $6.99 from Lafayette Electronics.

Oh ? Look back - you said you got a transister birthday.

[jbg]

First nations patiences waning

Learn grammar, especially in the thread title. Unless the Canadian language employs different rules, "nations" should both be pluralized and have an apostrophe either before or after the "s" depending on whether you're referencing just the Attawapiskat band or other bands too. Also "patience" does not take and "s" at the end of the word. Even a francophone such as Pierre Trudeau knew better.

http://www.theglobea...article6188717/

The 'Cheif' of Attawapiskat has gone on a hunger strike until the Queen or PM enter dialogue in regard to ignoring treaty.

Also "Cheif" is misspelled. And they prefer to call themselves "band leaders." And do you really think the Queen should jet in from London? Should she land at Moosonee? Edited January 8, 2013 by jbg

[jbg]

Oh ? Look back - you said you got a transister birthday.

Thanks. I fixed it. But you misspelled "transistor."

[Michael Hardner]

Thanks. I fixed it. But you misspelled "transistor."

I was hoping to make more sense of it but my joke was maybe a bit off colour.

[Sleipnir]

The Liberals can't lose by turning up the heat on this one as it could challenge the entire omnibus.

I disagree, I can see the Liberals tripping on this. The sides are polarized and Trudeau wadding in to sit beside Spence when the audit was partially released showing such gross negligence to the band's finances can caused the public on the other side to take another look at Trudeau.

That's my opinion.

[Evening Star]

Yeah, the whole time, I suspected that it was wise for Mulcair to lay a little low on this one, and it seems that this was in fact the case.

[Evening Star]

Is there a cite for this? It's pretty distressing if it's true. I donated some money at the time even though I didn't have a tonne of it.

I see that it can be viewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/1ynaC8f5ues

The whole clip is recommended.

[Sleipnir]

So Theresa Spence is cancelling the meeting to meet Harper because the governor general won't show up, this woman doesn't know compromise.

[jbg]

So Theresa Spence is cancelling the meeting to meet Harper because the governor general won't show up, this woman doesn't know compromise.

This is one for the Queen anyway, not David Johnston.

[g_bambino]

So Theresa Spence is cancelling the meeting to meet Harper because the governor general won't show up, this woman doesn't know compromise.

Well, she already shifted the goalposts and said she now wouldn't stop consuming just tea and broth until parts of the budget are repealed by parliament. So, is anyone surprised by yet another shift?

[Sleipnir]

This is one for the Queen anyway, not David Johnston.

She wanted the Queen representative. I now hope Harper shows up at the designated meeting place, that way Theresa cannot say that Harper doesn't listen.

[Boges]

www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/archives/sunnews/canada/media/2013/01/20130111-091643-g.jpg NICE!

Edited January 11, 2013 by Boges

[WIP]

Excellent commentary:

http://fullcomment.n...inal-community/

The government cant negotiate with the fundamentalists because they don't want compromise. They don't want a resolution. They are wedded to their ideology.

The government can negotiate with the modernizers. These are the people who should be getting the media attention. Not the wackos.

Let's put it this way, National Post is a mouthpiece for Harper and the mining and oil industries that likely are more likely the true authors of all of Harper's omnibus legislation that applies to first nations' territories. It's nothing more than shear greed....we've gobbled up all the oil, so now we need to dig up all the tar sands....sorry about your lakes and rivers....here's a few dollars to the band council for compensation! Same with the mining interests! And according to conservativespeak, "moderate" natives are the ones who take a few bucks and sign away their treaty rights (most of the profits going to the willing chiefs) and "fundamentalists" are all natives who actually care about their land and might even want something better than a few years of money flowing in, followed by a permanent degraded landscape that is of no value for hunting or fishing! Some natives have turned down mining interests and pipeline proposals in spite of the money waved in their faces because they don't want to play this game of exploiting resources at all costs....that we have locked ourselves into down here.

When resources were really plentiful in Canada, not a great deal of thought was given to sovereignty of lands considered worthless down here. But, in an oligarchy, if there's billions of dollars to be made by resource developers, they don't give a rats ass about treaties that were written and signed decades ago. They'll just ignore them, rewrite everything and plow ahead....unless the natives play hardball. And this is where a lot of low information selfish Canadians better start waking up and start thinking about promises made by our governments over the years on our behalf: Native Canadians could block development, chief warns

"These are demands, not requests," said Nepinak. "The Idle No More movement has the people - it has the people and the numbers - that can bring the Canadian economy to its knees. It can stop Prime Minister Stephen Harper's resource development plan," Nepinak told reporters in Ottawa.

I guess those "fundamentalists" could be a problem for those thinking the natives will just roll over and go back into the shadows.

[g_bambino]

National Post is a mouthpiece for Harper..

Yes, that explains everything.

[T]hey don't give a rats ass about treaties...

Then a court will determine what the punnishment should be.

[Sleipnir]

Photos of the PM and the FN chiefs during the meeting.

http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/media/20130111_MDP_02.jpg

http://www.pm.gc.ca/grfx/media/20130111_MDP_01.jpg

Too big to paste it here.

[Bryan]

Let's put it this way, National Post is a mouthpiece for Harper.

I stopped reading there. That is ridiculous. The National Post is stridently ANTI-Harper. Most of the faux-scandals that have been levied against the Conservatives have been orchestrated witch-hunts led by the Post.

[Canuckistani]

I stopped reading there. That is ridiculous. The National Post is stridently ANTI-Harper. Most of the faux-scandals that have been levied against the Conservatives have been orchestrated witch-hunts led by the Post.

Taking your's and WIP's comments together would show that NP is fair and balanced.

[Argus]

I guess those "fundamentalists" could be a problem for those thinking the natives will just roll over and go back into the shadows.

Canadians don't like shrill fundamentalists. And all this movement has succeded in doing, insofar as Canadian perspectives go, is removing much of the sympathy TROC had for natives and their predicament. Across the political spectrum Canadians are looking all this with open disapproval and often contempt. And if they start blocking highways and bridges a lot that contempt is going to harden into anger and a demand the government do something about it. And by 'something' I don't mean giving them more money.

[Guest]

Taking your's and WIP's comments together would show that NP is fair and balanced.

Canada's only newspaper for grownups.

If only they'd actually send out some paper copies.

[WIP]

Canadians don't like shrill fundamentalists. And all this movement has succeded in doing, insofar as Canadian perspectives go, is removing much of the sympathy TROC had for natives and their predicament. Across the political spectrum Canadians are looking all this with open disapproval and often contempt. And if they start blocking highways and bridges a lot that contempt is going to harden into anger and a demand the government do something about it. And by 'something' I don't mean giving them more money.

If you start rewriting agreements, like the dramatic cut in the number of protected waterways bundled in with Harper's omnibus bill, a lot of people would turn into fundamentalists too! If I was on the 403 when....I assume Six Nations people set up a sympathy blockade, I might not be happy with it either. But the inconvenience people are sqawking about over blockades, pales in comparison to taking away territory or seizing what's underneath the land at as cheap a price as possible.

[Smallc]

If you start rewriting agreements, like the dramatic cut in the number of protected waterways bundled in with Harper's omnibus bill, a lot of people would turn into fundamentalists too!

But that didn't happen. Duplication of function in regards to navigable waterways was removed, nothing more.

[WIP]

But that didn't happen. Duplication of function in regards to navigable waterways was removed, nothing more.

As if that will be the end of that particular story! They will keep pushing and trying alternatives to sneak through what they need to meet the greater objective of getting at resources on native lands.