The_Squid Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Anyone who calls a potential coalition government a "coup" doesn't know how our system of government works. It is pure partisan hackery, The talking points straight out of the CPC playbook. Simply idiotic. Quote
Fletch 27 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Seems the MAJORITY of Canadians agreed... It was a coup.. Quote
The_Squid Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Seems the MAJORITY of Canadians agreed... It was a coup.. How would you figure that? Was there a referendum when I wasn't looking? LOL Quote
Fletch 27 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 The "Referendum" was the last vote.. THAT was the referendum.. Call it Judgement-day for the NDP and Libs if you will Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 And re-enforced the stupidity/arrogance of Jack Layton with the sheer redundancy of the Liberals. What's being reinforced here is your lack of understanding about the rules of governance in this country. Well, that or your willingness to throw those rules out the window so long as it will keep your idolatrised leader in power. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Good grief; now we're pulling the parliamentary crisis of 2008 into this smörgåsbord of a thread... Seems the MAJORITY of Canadians agreed... Unfounded. It was a coup.. No, it wasn't. [ed.: sp] Edited December 10, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
Fletch 27 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 What's being reinforced here is your lack of understanding about the rules of governance in this country. Well, that or your willingness to throw those rules out the window so long as it will keep your idolatrised leader in power. Its very well understood. Hey,,, i didnt elect him... The majority did.. "Dont hate the playa,,,, hate the game"... Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) Its very well understood. Hey,,, i didnt elect him... The majority did.. The prime minister isn't elected, The majority of the electorate didn't vote for the Conservative Party; not even close; the government was a minority one. And the principle of responsible government central to our democracy still states that the Cabinet is accountable to the House of Commons and that chamber has the right to withdraw its confidence in a government should it refuse to abide by the legislature's requests. Evidently you understand less than you think. [ed.: c/e, sp] Edited December 10, 2012 by g_bambino Quote
Fletch 27 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 (edited) The prime minister isn't elected, The majority of the electorate didn't vote for the Conservative Party; not even close; the government was a minority one. And the principle of responsible government central to our democracy still states that the Cabinet is accountable to the House of Commons and that chamber has the right to withdraw its confidence in a government should it refuse to abide by the legislature's requests. Evidently you understand less than you think. [ed.: c/e, sp] Riddle me this Bambino.... Since the attempted coup.... Did Harper get MORE votes??? Or less............ Edited December 10, 2012 by Fletch 27 Quote
guyser Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 . Evidently you understand less than you think. [ed.: c/e, sp] Gee....ya think? Riddle me this Bambino.... Since the attempted coup.... Didi Haroer get MORE votes??? Or less............ Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Since the attempted coup.... Did Harper get MORE votes??? Or less............ We weren't speaking about the 2008 parliamentary crisis. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Gee....ya think? More and more... Quote
Fletch 27 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 We weren't speaking about the 2008 parliamentary crisis. No, why would we.... Quote
Boges Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Sure it was, technically, perfectly alright for the opposition to form a coalition months after an election where they never even brought the idea up. That's why Harper prorogued. Now if they were really serious about it they would have still tried to form the coalition later or ran an election with that idea in mind, they didn't. Clearly the idea to try and form the a coalition to preserve "per vote" subsidies was a bad one. It did force Harper to institute the Economic Action Plan but it also forced the Liberals to name Iggy the leader without a proper leadership convention and ultimately led to the Harper majority. He also used the threat of them forming a coalition again as a fear tactic in the 2011 election and I'd say It worked. Quote
g_bambino Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 No, why would we.... I don't know why we would when the conversation was about the motion finding the Cabinet in contempt of parlaiment. Quote
Topaz Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 Maybe some changes to the House of Commons is needed. How about instead of each MP recieving a note HOW to vote, we install electronic voting and all voting is open. This way the MP is responsible to their RIDING, instead to the leader of the party.telling them how to vote. Many Candians have lost repect for the MP's and government as a whole and its time to bring back to the voters who elect the MP's. Thoughts? Quote
cybercoma Posted December 10, 2012 Report Posted December 10, 2012 While little of that is commendable (some of it is just based on political disagreement), I honestly don't see it as much (if any at all) worse than certain previous Liberal prime ministers. I say that not to justify Harper's actions, but to highlight the hypocricy of those who point to Harper's prorogations and spending and association with "criminals" as proof they're right to portray him as evil incarnate while overlooking similar or the same behaviour by prime ministers from a party they approved of. I'll also say, though, that I suspect the American media is having some influence in this matter; I think a lot of left-leaning Canadians believe the Conservative Party is just a Canadian clone of the Republicans down south. [ed: +, c/e] I can't speak for others, but I found Chrétien to be despicable and arrogant. I wasn't overly thrilled with the latter part of his administration either. The early part, I wasn't so much paying attention to politics, but I'm sure I probably wouldn't have felt much different. Quote
Mighty AC Posted December 11, 2012 Report Posted December 11, 2012 Maybe some changes to the House of Commons is needed. How about instead of each MP recieving a note HOW to vote, we install electronic voting and all voting is open. This way the MP is responsible to their RIDING, instead to the leader of the party.telling them how to vote. Many Candians have lost repect for the MP's and government as a whole and its time to bring back to the voters who elect the MP's. Thoughts? Their votes aren't anonymous right now so how would an electronic voting system make a difference? Currently, the PMO gives government MPs their thoughts, votes and talking points. CPC members are free to serve their riding instead of the party if they want to risk riding the bank bench forever or trying to raise non-tax deductible funds to run as an independent. Quote "Our lives begin to end the day we stay silent about the things that matter." - Martin Luther King Jr"Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" - Voltaire
Evening Star Posted December 11, 2012 Report Posted December 11, 2012 While little of that is commendable (some of it is just based on political disagreement), I honestly don't see it as much (if any at all) worse than certain previous Liberal prime ministers. I say that not to justify Harper's actions, but to highlight the hypocricy of those who point to Harper's prorogations and spending and association with "criminals" as proof they're right to portray him as evil incarnate while overlooking similar or the same behaviour by prime ministers from a party they approved of. [ed: +, c/e] No one here has portrayed Harper that way. And why assume that the people who criticize Harper for these things did not also criticize the Liberals? Quote
g_bambino Posted December 11, 2012 Report Posted December 11, 2012 No one here has portrayed Harper that way. Yes, someone has. And why assume that the people who criticize Harper for these things did not also criticize the Liberals? I could only answer that question if I'd actually done what you ask why I did. Quote
Evening Star Posted December 11, 2012 Report Posted December 11, 2012 Yes, someone has. I could only answer that question if I'd actually done what you ask why I did. Who portrayed Harper as evil incarnate while overlooking the faults of other PMs? Quote
Rocky Road Posted December 21, 2012 Report Posted December 21, 2012 I think the hate comes from the fact that he isnt gung ho about spending the inheritance of the future generations today. Like so many other countries in the world. Quote
Argus Posted December 21, 2012 Author Report Posted December 21, 2012 No one here has portrayed Harper that way. And why assume that the people who criticize Harper for these things did not also criticize the Liberals? No one? Here are three different posts from three different posters on three different topics on this site alone. I wonder what I'd find on Rabble. The tight control Harper maintains on public messages would be admired by fascist dictators. No doubt he's learned from them and will be a model for future fascist regimes. This is a continuing trend isn't it. Canadians are finally seeing Harper for the megalomaniac that he is and have had enough of his party's neo-fascist ways. like Harper has demonstrated, he cares little what anyone one thinks, he'll do what ever his fascist little mind wants too. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
WWWTT Posted December 21, 2012 Report Posted December 21, 2012 I hate Harpers singing voice! I can't say I hate Harper himself because I do not know him.Bot oh God when this guy sings,his horendous voice is unbearable! Comparing Harper to Hitler is not that far fetched.There are similarities. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
Guest Posted December 21, 2012 Report Posted December 21, 2012 Comparing Harper to Hitler is not that far fetched.There are similarities. WWWTT Two arms. Two legs. A nose. Yeah, you're right. Quote
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