Newfoundlander Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 (edited) WTF is Voctoria? If you mean Victoria, the Dippers won that by a narrow margin and apparently lost huge support. If you're referring to Calgary Centre it was predictable it would be a tight race. I think Alberta is still a rather safe place for Tories. The CPC got less then 600 more then the LPC, nothing for them to brag about. Edited November 27, 2012 by Newfoundlander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 But the win in Durham is. Especially since the seat was vacated because the previous MP was scandal plagued. I honestly can't see an Alberta riding going LPC in a General election EVER! Especially with Trudeau Jr. in charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 i think you're overestimating the damage trudeau's comments will have, outside of alberta no one will remember in three years and alberta just dosen't matter much in seat count for the liberals....just as Mulcair doesn't worry what albertans think about his dutch disease comments...the lone ndp seat doesn't matter and it's likely safe as that riding probably agrees with the comment... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 i think you're overestimating the damage trudeau's comments will have, outside of alberta no one will remember in three years and alberta just dosen't matter much in seat count for the liberals....just as Mulcair doesn't worry what albertans think about his dutch disease comments...the lone ndp seat doesn't matter and it's likely safe as that riding probably agrees with the comment... That's why, as punked said early in this thread, these results will have little effect on a General election in 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Derek L Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 The CPC only narrowly beat the Liberals in Victoria, and lost significant support. The seat in Victoria hasn't gone Tory since '84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I'm from Victoria and voted Green. I'm ecstatic by the result. I had no idea they were going to do so well. With this momentum Victoria may be the 2nd constituency to elect a Federal Green MP. The constituency that elected the 1st is right next door. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newfoundlander Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 But the win in Durham is. Especially since the seat was vacated because the previous MP was scandal plagued. I honestly can't see an Alberta riding going LPC in a General election EVER! Especially with Trudeau Jr. in charge. At the moment polling shows LPC would win 30% in Alberta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 27, 2012 Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 30% of the seats or 30% of the popular vote? 30% means squat in FPTP if the other part has 40+% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 27, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 27, 2012 I think the Greens was the biggest winner from last night election, despite not winning a seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) Peter Julian and Elizabeth May gets testy over the 'poop' issue in Victoria http://www.cbc.ca/pl.../ID/2309803184/ *see the time at 6:30 Edit: ----- Elizabeth May blew her gasket and started ranting at 8:30. Edited November 28, 2012 by Sleipnir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 The LPC and GPC are stupid. They could have come to a mutually beneficial agreement last night and both benefitted. The Greens should have offered to defer to the Liberal candidate in Calgary Centre (Greens were strong there and it was a close race between the LPC and CPC) in exchange for the Liberals deferring to the Greens in Victoria. This would have potentially created two HUGE upsets with the Liberals winning Calgary Centre and the Greens winning Victoria. Nobody's up for strategic cooperation though, so we continue to have status quo. Exact same results with 2 out of 3 voters staying home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 With proportional representation, it wouldn't required to shooting your candidate in the foot strategically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 PR's not going to happen any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Why not if the left forms a coalition, it should be first priority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleipnir Posted November 28, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 PR's not going to happen any time soon. Unless, in some bizarre universe - the Supreme court orders the implementation of PR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Proportional Representation is the best solution to the divide and conquer tactics of the right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Proportional Representation is the best solution to the divide and conquer tactics of the right. Yup, when your form of democracy doesn't work.... Blame democracy. Proportional Representation is what happened to Europe.... They look really happy right now... Probably like Canada's method right now.. Stop with the sour grapes... You can't win em all.... Well, try the right............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kairos Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 (edited) A democracy literally means rule of the people in Greek. If only a third of the people who vote are electing the government. Then its not a democracy. Its an oligarchy, the rule of the few. We don't have a democracy in Canada. In fact we still have a constitutional monarchy. We have a long way to go in order to overcome authortiarians who wish to prevent Canada from being democratic. Edited November 28, 2012 by kairos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyly Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Yup, when your form of democracy doesn't work.... Blame democracy. Proportional Representation is what happened to Europe.... They look really happy right now... Probably like Canada's method right now.. Stop with the sour grapes... You can't win em all.... Well, try the right............ wow that was dumb post...what has pr got to do with the euro economics?..that's right nothing... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 wow that was dumb post...what has pr got to do with the euro economics?..that's right nothing... Quite Simple.. And until you have experienced "PR" and all its pitfall like i have in Denmark.. You really cant say squat... Its a nightmare where parties PANDER to ever base with free money for all.... Thats right, Till you lived it and have been impacted with more than 75% taxes... STFU! Its clear that you and your loosing ilk simply are bitter hatyour trough isnt lined with your form of gratuity... The pandering in PR is THE reason for the economic downturn in Europe... Please... INVERSTIGATE IT proir to spouting off of what you know NOTHING of.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch 27 Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Proportional Representation is the best solution to the divide and conquer tactics of the right. Yes, Its the best solution for those who dont get what they wanted.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Proportional Representation is the best solution to the divide and conquer tactics of the right. Were you as critical of the system when the LPC were winning consecutive majorities because the right-wing parties were separated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 People assume uniting the Left will automatically lead to a victory. It's possible but how many people on the fringes of the NDP and the LPC will agree with compromising their values in order to potentially win. There are many in the LPC that have far more in common with the CPC than they do the NDP. Also people could easily move their support to the Greens and further split the vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 People assume uniting the Left will automatically lead to a victory. It's possible but how many people on the fringes of the NDP and the LPC will agree with compromising their values in order to potentially win. There are many in the LPC that have far more in common with the CPC than they do the NDP. Also people could easily move their support to the Greens and further split the vote. I don't agree with uniting the Left because I don't think a two-party system solves anything, rather it creates more problems. However, if the time came where that happened, I sure as hell would not be voting for the Conservatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
punked Posted November 28, 2012 Report Share Posted November 28, 2012 Were you as critical of the system when the LPC were winning consecutive majorities because the right-wing parties were separated? Yes I was seeing as the LPC was just a Conservative government anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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