Guest American Woman Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 It's official. Now all we can do is sit back and see what it brings. http://news.yahoo.com/israel-hamas-agree-gaza-cease-fire-181335147.html Egypt is to play a key role in maintaining peace. According to a copy of the agreement obtained by The Associated Press, Israel and all Palestinian militant groups agreed to halt "all hostilities." For the Palestinians, that means an end to Israeli airstrikes and assassinations of wanted militants. For Israel, it brings a halt to rocket fire and attempts at cross-border incursions from Gaza. After a 24-hour cooling off period, it calls for "opening the crossings and facilitating the movement of people and transfer of goods, and refraining from restricting residents free movement." Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Should last for another week...lol. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest American Woman Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Should last for another week...lol. It's sad that one can't have bigger hopes, but I wouldn't be surprised if that's about right. Quote
Guest Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 The problem is the other combatants. Hamas blessed the bombing of an Israeli bus today, but did not claim responsibility. If Hamas can't rein in Islamic Jihad or the Al Aqsa Brigade, how can the Israelis be expected to respect a ceasefire? Quote
Guest American Woman Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 The problem is the other combatants. Hamas blessed the bombing of an Israeli bus today, but did not claim responsibility.If Hamas can't rein in Islamic Jihad or the Al Aqsa Brigade, how can the Israelis be expected to respect a ceasefire? It is difficult to have much hope for the cease fire as it comes after such news - the deliberate bombing of civilians - which Hamas does not condemn. I can't imagine Hamas having control over the jihadists, and I'm not sure I believe that they want to have control. As long as they have someone doing what I believe they would like to be doing themselves, they've got the best of both worlds - Israel bound to a cease fire and the appearance that Hamas is abiding by it. Quote
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Until Israel closes the settlements, any ceasefire will never be effective. It just means the Palestinians cease their hostilities, while Israel just continues theirs. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Until Israel closes the settlements, any ceasefire will never be effective. It just means the Palestinians cease their hostilities, while Israel just continues theirs. So you feel the Jews should be told to leave the West Bank? All of them? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 So you feel the Jews should be told to leave the West Bank? All of them? Israel should withdraw to 67 borders. If the Palestinians continue aggression after that I have no problem with Israel attacking Palestine. But to take land means there will never be peace. You've got to leave the Palestinians something, or they have nothing to lose. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Will Canada withdraw to the 1867 borders? Nope.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Israel should withdraw to 67 borders. If the Palestinians continue aggression after that I have no problem with Israel attacking Palestine. But to take land means there will never be peace. You've got to leave the Palestinians something, or they have nothing to lose. So you're saying that the Jews should be cleaned-out of the WB rather than made citizens of a future state. OK...that's fine, I suppose. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 So you're saying that the Jews should be cleaned-out of the WB rather than made citizens of a future state. OK...that's fine, I suppose. In your scenario, then Israel would have to give right to return to the Palestinians. That's fine I suppose. Personally I don't see that working, nor saying much for the future of Israel as a Jewish state. Doubt the settlers would be keen to live in the Islamic paradise the Palestinians would likely create either. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Yes...ethnic cleansing always seems to be OK with some of these folks when it comes to "Jews". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Yes...ethnic cleansing always seems to be OK with some of these folks when it comes to "Jews". Beautiful. The Germans couldn't have argued better in the Sudetenland. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 In your scenario, then Israel would have to give right to return to the Palestinians. That's fine I suppose. Personally I don't see that working, nor saying much for the future of Israel as a Jewish state. Doubt the settlers would be keen to live in the Islamic paradise the Palestinians would likely create either. Arabs that didn't flee as per their leader's request in 1948 got to be Israeli citizens. No right of return involved. Seems like you support ethnic cleansing but wish to remain PC on the terminology. Am I wrong? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Arabs that didn't flee as per their leader's request in 1948 got to be Israeli citizens. No right of return involved. Seems like you support ethnic cleansing but wish to remain PC on the terminology. Am I wrong? If the settlers have a claim to the Palestinian land they took by force or threat of force, then all the displaced Palestinians have right of return to Israel. Not a good solution in my eyes for either side. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 If the settlers have a claim to the Palestinian land they took by force or threat of force, then all the displaced Palestinians have right of return to Israel. Not a good solution in my eyes for either side. The WB was never part of a country called Palestine. Jordan took the place in 1948 and then lost it in 1967. Similar with Gaza that was part of Egypt once the smoke of the 48 war cleared. No 'land claims' made at all. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 (edited) So, no country for the Palestinians? Would they all be ethnically cleansed or allowed to stay in greater Israel? The latter would be a ticking time bomb that would eventually destroy the Jewish state. Creating a Palestinian state seems like the only hope there is for peace in the region. Edited November 21, 2012 by Canuckistani Quote
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 So, no country for the Palestinians? Would they all be ethnically cleansed or allowed to stay in greater Israel? The latter would be a ticking time bomb that would eventually destroy the Jewish state. Creating a Palestinian state seems like the only hope there is for peace in the region. It's called Jordan. Trouble is that the Mufti's old clan feels that they are the keepers of al-Aqsa and want no part of the Hashemite kingdom....unless it is to take the place by force. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Ammunition and fuel 800m shekels Direct damage 25m shekels Loss of production 320m shekels Mobilisation of reserve soldiers 70m shekels Diversion of the public discourse from the social/economic agenda before the elections" PRICELESS Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Now back to the status quo: Ignoring peace talks and increasing illegal settlements. Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Oddly, that was Nasser's plan in 1967. Get the Israelis to call up their reserves then keep them in the field for months if possible. The Israelis figured 6 days was plenty 'nuff. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Merlin Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 I think Hudson Jones will not be happy until Israel no longer exists. His posts are appalling and antisemitic, I don't know why they are allowed to continue here. I have shown these posts to some of my Jewish friends and they were disgusted and though this was a anti Israel, anti Jewish sympathizer thread! I beg of you all to not bash Israel and the Jewish people. The Jews have suffered enough throughout history, lets not let them suffer any more. War is a terrible thing and no one really wins. I support peace. Quote
Hudson Jones Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Election time in Israel vs Israeli attacks on Palestinians: Quote When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always. Gandhi
DogOnPorch Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 I imagine Obama's victory came into play as well. It was a fine day to smash Hamas. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 21, 2012 Report Posted November 21, 2012 Now back to the status quo: Ignoring peace talks and increasing illegal settlements. Sounds good to me....."Happiness is a warm gun" - John Lennon Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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