WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Hell, we'll all be speaking Mandarin in a generation at this rate. Good luck! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Here's commentary on it from an investment law expert at Osgoode Hall: http://thetyee.ca/Op...estment-Treaty/ I can see why this law professor is concerned. His services will not be needed when litigation proceedings requiring a fluent litigator/negotiator are necessary and he will not qualify for the job. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 I have an issue with migrant workers while we still have so many unemployed. Mining is not so skilled people can't be taught how to do it. But it doesn't look like this Chinese company made any serious effort to find Canadian miners. They wanted to bring in obedient slave workers from China from the start. You are aware that China is the most experienced country in the world in coal mining?They literally invented the use of coal hundreds of years ago. Dozens of people if not more die every year in coal mining and I would not belittle the skills required and the risk involved! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 The Chinese are little by little taking over the world. Thank God! WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 I can see why this law professor is concerned. His services will not be needed when litigation proceedings requiring a fluent litigator/negotiator are necessary and he will not qualify for the job. WWWTT Aren't you a bit above ad hominem arguments? What you're saying is that his arguments are not valid because of some personal characteristics he has. That doesn't have anything to do with the validity of his arguments. Quote
Argus Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Posted October 27, 2012 You are aware that China is the most experienced country in the world in coal mining?They literally invented the use of coal hundreds of years ago. Dozens of people if not more die every year in coal mining and I would not belittle the skills required and the risk involved! China's great experience in coal mining is about akin to the way we mined coal in the seventeenth century. That's how they mostly do it over there. They don't have dozens killed every year, but thousands. And those are just the official numbers. We know there are more that don't get reported. China has no regard to worker safety, and so doesn't bother to employe systems which protect workers. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Posted October 27, 2012 Thank God! WWWTT You think the Chinese will do a better job of it? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted October 27, 2012 Author Report Posted October 27, 2012 Well - the mayor seems to be letting people off the hook for playing the system, but I am not going to moralize about that here. I do think that people should only use such services as a last resort. What I find interesting is that the system supports people working elsewhere, then flying home for half the year - to the point where it's not attractive for them to take minimum wage jobs for the off season. It seems that these folks have become tourists in their own towns, in effect. It's a dumb system. People should be required to work or support themselves. There should be no pogey or welfare if you refuse to take a minimum wage job unless you can demonstrate that you can't due to physical impairment, children, etc. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 It's a dumb system. People should be required to work or support themselves. "Should" ? Ok. Let's explore that a little. Let's play devil's advocate. Why ? Is it just the Protestant work ethic ? Is work good for the soul ? What if there is no work to do ? What will happen when the robots do the work ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 What about people that are incapable of working (ie, elderly, children, physically disabled, mentally disabled)? The active labour force only includes a little more than half of the entire population. What about people that are inherently rich? Are they supporting themselves or are their parents supporting them? What about full-time students that don't have the time to work enough hours to fully support themselves? Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 What about people that are incapable of working (ie, elderly, children, physically disabled, mentally disabled)? The active labour force only includes a little more than half of the entire population. What about people that are inherently rich? Are they supporting themselves or are their parents supporting them? What about full-time students that don't have the time to work enough hours to fully support themselves? And how much morality do we need to apply to issues of economics ? When should we talk about "fair" wages versus what "works" ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Since economics is the study of scarcity and people need material things for survival and their own well-being, morality is inseparable from economics, imo. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Well, maybe Economics needs to change, then, as material scarcity becomes less of an issue ? Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Well, maybe Economics needs to change, then, as material scarcity becomes less of an issue ? Scarcity is always an issue. There is only a finite amount of material on the planet or in the universe even. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 I don`t think Adam Smith was thinking about Entropy when he wrote The Wealth of Nations. Renewable resources, and the lowering cost of extraction and processing means we have to move up the Maslow pyramid a little more. Rather than giving people `make work`... or having a tiny minority of infrastructure owners profit so as to keep an antiquated view of the economy alive, we need to look at a bigger picture. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 (edited) We have high unemployment and high welfare rolls in this country yet we're importing workers and resources I don't understand. The government needs to take control of these resources and kick out all the foreign invaders and keep Canada for Canadians! Edited October 27, 2012 by Mr.Canada Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Mr. Canada - I think you're starting to understand why Harper appears to many to be more interested in the economy than in the welfare of the employable. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
Mr.Canada Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Mr. Canada - I think you're starting to understand why Harper appears to many to be more interested in the economy than in the welfare of the employable. Many millions on welfare and EI across the country. Slam the door on immigrants and refugees until out unemployment rate is below 5%. We simply have to get our own people back to work first! Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Michael Hardner Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Many millions on welfare and EI across the country. Slam the door on immigrants and refugees until out unemployment rate is below 5%. We simply have to get our own people back to work first! With all due respect, yours is just one voice calling out. The same companies who call for lower taxes call for lower wages to be competitive and they have a lot more pull than you or me. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
scribblet Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 So this is Harper's fault that the companies can't find Canadian to work or is that E.I. needs reforming.. partly that out east anyway as they are bringing temp. employees into NewFoundland of all places. Or should we just can the temp. worker program and stop all companies hiring temp. help ? http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/newfoundland-labrador/story/2012/06/01/nl-thai-workers-quinlans-602.html Quote Hey Ho - Ontario Liberals Have to Go - Fight Wynne - save our province
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 How is it that companies can't find employees when the youth unemployment rate is well over 15%? That's people actively looking for fulltime employment and can't find it. Quote
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Aren't you a bit above ad hominem arguments? What you're saying is that his arguments are not valid because of some personal characteristics he has. That doesn't have anything to do with the validity of his arguments. Am I?Maybe? I know that this lawyer would not get any money out of this when a dispute arises. I would change my mind however if this law professor actually volunteered his efforts for wrongly convicted people or something along those lines. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 China's great experience in coal mining is about akin to the way we mined coal in the seventeenth century. That's how they mostly do it over there. They don't have dozens killed every year, but thousands. And those are just the official numbers. We know there are more that don't get reported. China has no regard to worker safety, and so doesn't bother to employe systems which protect workers. If what you are saying is true then maybe they will have the opportunity to learn about employee safety standards to bring back to China. WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
cybercoma Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 Am I?Maybe? I know that this lawyer would not get any money out of this when a dispute arises. I would change my mind however if this law professor actually volunteered his efforts for wrongly convicted people or something along those lines. WWWTT How is this at all relevant to his criticisms though? Quote
WWWTT Posted October 27, 2012 Report Posted October 27, 2012 You think the Chinese will do a better job of it? I do not think the Chinese are concerned with running the world. From what I see they are more concerned with improving their own country. If they influence other nations to do the same,then yes that would be a very good thing! But maybe you are thinking of something else? WWWTT Quote Maple Leaf Web is now worth $720.00! Down over $1,500 in less than one year! Total fail of the moderation on this site! That reminds me, never ask Greg to be a business partner! NEVER!
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