westguy Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 People act in their own economice interest.. I suggest you reserve your offensive comment for the province who has grown dependent on equalization for 50yrs. It is not true that all I want is to "take,take,take" but I am growing tired of Quebec's reliance on the largesse of the ROC. Ulltimately, your post makes no sense Quote
cybercoma Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 People move to Alberta cuz that's in THEIR best interests and NOT to help Alberta. It is ludicrous to say that they do it to help Alberta. As for Quebec, they have become financially dependent on equalization payments, as evidenced by the ongoing exorbitant amount they receive ( $257b in 50 yrs). Certianly, they are in a position to do better as a province rather than to exploit the generousiity of other provinces. They have become a culture of enitlement rather than grow their own economy. Again, you have absolutely no idea how the equalization formula works or you wouldn't continue to post things that are completely wrong. Quote
The_Squid Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 Again, you have absolutely no idea how the equalization formula works or you wouldn't continue to post things that are completely wrong. This same poster claimed that the CBC should go get donations "like PBS" rather than government subsidies.... Public broadcasting get subsidized by the U.S. gov't to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. THis particular poster does not let facts get in the way of a right-wing opinion.... Quote
cybercoma Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 (edited) This same poster claimed that the CBC should go get donations "like PBS" rather than government subsidies.... Public broadcasting get subsidized by the U.S. gov't to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars. THis particular poster does not let facts get in the way of a right-wing opinion.... What's worse is that the equalization formula has been explained to him many times, yet he still insists on getting it wrong. There's no point in really putting any effort into discussing things with someone that not only doesn't understand what is they are criticizing, but obviously doesn't want to understand. Edited November 22, 2012 by cybercoma Quote
westguy Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 It seems that my opinions are not shared by the "share the wealth" leftists on this site. Can anyone explain why the CBC should suck $1b/yr from the canadian taxpayer to compete with 500 or so private broadcasters? so much for a level playing field. If their programming is so good - they shouldn't need government support. As for equalization payments, I accept that it started with good intent to unite the country. However, some provinces have grown dependent and reliant and it needs an overhaul at the least. It is not an equitable system for some provinces, who have had 150yr to develop their own economies large markets, to be a social welfare case and to exploit the ROC. Now, may I have your insults becuz you disagree? Quote
guyser Posted November 22, 2012 Report Posted November 22, 2012 It seems that my opinions are not shared by the "share the wealth" leftists on this site. Nor the right. But hey, dont let that stop you. Can anyone explain why the CBC should suck $1b/yr from the canadian taxpayer to compete with 500 or so private broadcasters? Well for one, there arent 500 and probably not even 50..so... Oh the reason....right, because Canadians want the CBC and the CPC supports the CBC. Should there be any other reason proffered? Quote
Hydraboss Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 What's worse is that the equalization formula has been explained to him many times, yet he still insists on getting it wrong. There's no point in really putting any effort into discussing things with someone that not only doesn't understand what is they are criticizing, but obviously doesn't want to understand. Well, I understand the equalization formula quite well. And I agree with the intent of his post. We all know that the current equalization program is being used as permitted by the constitution, but that doesn't mean it's right or moral. It was designed to ensure that all provinces and territories could provide services at appropriate levels regardless of their ability to generate tax revenue. Where there was a huge mistake made was there was no specification stating what services. The intent was obviously for health, education, etc (food/clothing/shelter) which are basic needs of the citizens. Places like Kwebek bastardized the program to their own benefit but at the cost of everyone else. The fact that provincial debt/deficit does not work it's way into the equation is completely disgusting - they spend their money on other things and then suck at the tit of the ROC to pay for "niceties". It's like a drug addict that trades his food stamps for dope, and then comes whining for free food because he can't afford it. Kwebek. Disgusting. (I actually don't support the equalization scam at all, but Kwebek flaunts it's misuse of my money far worse than anyone else.) Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 You care to explain concretely your exception? What Québec spends money on and the programs it has have no bearing on their equalization payments whatsoever. Unless you live in Québec, I'm not sure why their social programs would mean anything to you. Quote
Hydraboss Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Because Kwebek's debt/deficit does not work into the formula, they can spend their money on $7 daycare and not raise taxes without affecting their equalization "take". Therefore, they provide more to their citizens without increased taxation. Kwebek win. Then they take more from equalization. Kwebek win. Then they provide even more to their citizens ABOVE basic+ needs. Kwebek win. ROC loss. Because the formula does not take these things into account, and because where the money goes is not specified by the Feds, Alberta loses significantly more than any other part of Canada. Quote "racist, intolerant, small-minded bigot" - AND APPARENTLY A SOCIALIST (2010) (2015)Economic Left/Right: 8.38 3.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 -1.23
westguy Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 If we had an open market (not controlled by CRTC) there would be more than 500 broadcasters and CBC could not compete. As it is; itheir programs suck except for HNIC and News. If, as you say, Canadians like or want or watch them (Little Mosque on the Prairie), then they shouldn't need $1b./yr from the taxpayer. Hydra - you made my point more eloquently than I could. The equalization program is broken and badly needs an overhaul. Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 pardon my poor spelling/typing What about your poor comprehension of what you were responding to? Quote
westguy Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Read again my and Hydra'se posts. The equalization program badly needs an overhaul as it has been abused to the benefit of some provinces and to the detriment of others. Quote
jacee Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) Because Kwebek's debt/deficit does not work into the formula, they can spend their money on $7 daycare and not raise taxes without affecting their equalization "take". Therefore, they provide more to their citizens without increased taxation. Kwebek win. Then they take more from equalization. Kwebek win. Then they provide even more to their citizens ABOVE basic+ needs. Kwebek win. ROC loss. Not true. Quebec has the highest provincial taxes in the country, to pay for its provincial programs. Because the formula does not take these things into account, and because where the money goes is not specified by the Feds, Alberta loses significantly more than any other part of Canada. Albertans pay more in federal taxes because Albertans earn more money than the ROC.Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? I have an idea ... give your extra money as a charitable donation in Alberta, reducing your federal taxes and thus your 'contribution' to Quebec. Hell, donate it to your own Alberta government! We all know Alberta could use the extra money for 'social programs' because Alberta is pretty stingy about that, apparently preferring to subsidize oil operations to import workers instead of - eg - lowering Alberta's high dropout rate and educating and training its own young people. Edited November 23, 2012 by jacee Quote
Smallc Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Read again my and Hydra'se posts. The equalization program badly needs an overhaul as it has been abused to the benefit of some provinces and to the detriment of others. But that isn't how it's used at all. The problem is A ) you're both selfish and ungrateful, and B ), you specifically don't seem willing or able to understand what the program means. Quote
Guest Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Hell, donate it to your own Alberta government! We all know Alberta could use the extra money for 'social programs' because Alberta is pretty stingy about that, apparently preferring to subsidize oil operations to import workers instead of - eg - lowering Alberta's high dropout rate and educating and training its own young people. Actually, I'm pretty sure Alberta spends more on social programs than any other province. Or most, if not all. Quote
westguy Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 I suggest that 9it is Quebec that is selfish and ungrateful ($257bover 50yr) Quote
westguy Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Smallc; do you always insult the poster's whose posts you disagree with?? How juvenile.... Quote
guyser Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Smallc; do you always insult the poster's whose posts you disagree with?? How juvenile.... I bet he does when posts insult the intelligence of others...say about transfer payments? Quote
guyser Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 (edited) unbelievably juvenile... Being taught yet continuing to post ignorance?Why yes...yes it is juvenile. Edited November 23, 2012 by guyser Quote
The_Squid Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Actually, I'm pretty sure Alberta spends more on social programs than any other province. Or most, if not all. Then this throws out the biggest gripe that we hear from people complaining about transfer payments, in particular to Quebec. Quote
Guest Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Then this throws out the biggest gripe that we hear from people complaining about transfer payments, in particular to Quebec. I haven't griped about that myself, but I still don't see that leap of logic... Quote
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Because Kwebek's debt/deficit does not work into the formula, they can spend their money on $7 daycare and not raise taxes without affecting their equalization "take". Therefore, they provide more to their citizens without increased taxation. Kwebek win. Then they take more from equalization. Kwebek win. Then they provide even more to their citizens ABOVE basic+ needs. Kwebek win. ROC loss. Because the formula does not take these things into account, and because where the money goes is not specified by the Feds, Alberta loses significantly more than any other part of Canada. "Kwebek" pays some of the highest provincial taxes in the country. Regardless, their tax rate has nothing to do with the equalization formula either. So what exactly is the point you're making? Quote
cybercoma Posted November 23, 2012 Report Posted November 23, 2012 Albertans pay more in federal taxes Albertans pay the same federal income tax rate as the rest of the country. Quote
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