MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) Liberals crammed through poorly written legislation to ban strikes... And yet there seems to be the possibility of a strike occurring according to some media outlets. I'm confused... I know McGuinty is the biggest liar in political history. But... the "Putting Students First" act was to block strikes... or was it really only to claw back teacher benefits without going through the bargaining process? and to try and win some by-elections? Why is it that Ontario Government says it will not automatically block strikes? Teachers have argued that it was the province’s decision to restrict their right to strike that pushed them over the edge. But with the Ministry of Education’s suggestion that it will not automatically block a strike, that option is back on the table. http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/ontario-says-it-wont-block-teacher-strike/article4576776/ At least they got the part about restricting the rights of teachers is correct. The legislation itself states that it can't be challenged in court, and can't be checked against the constitution/charter of rights. No minority government is above the constitution. I haven't heard my teacher friends complain about not getting a wage increase... "As long as they aren't going after class sizes and resources" one said. They are just angry at how the government has been treating them and demonizing them. The Ontario government is really trying to politicize this thing more than it ever had to be. Edited October 7, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
TheNewTeddy Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 The legislation itself states that it can't ... be checked against the constitution The Constitution trumps all legislation. Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
login Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) 'You can't ban strikes you can only make them illegal until they get to court if teachers are locked up its still a strike I highly doubt mcguinty would lock the kids up with them... united civil disobediance can't be legislated against only the weak` fail after all was said and done they'd probably get a few extra lines into the curriculum its pretty clearly explained here http://www.mississauga.com/news/article/1512241--teachers-vote-to-strike-despite-ban Edited October 7, 2012 by login Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Posted October 7, 2012 The Constitution trumps all legislation. It should. Just look at this Orwellian piece of TP. http://www.ontla.on.ca/web/bills/bills_detail.do?BillID=2665 14. (1) The Ontario Labour Relations Board shall not inquire into or make a decision on whether a provision of this Act, a regulation or an order made under subsection 9 (2) is constitutionally valid or is in conflict with the Human Rights Code. (2) An arbitrator or arbitration board shall not inquire into or make a decision on whether a provision of this Act, a regulation or an order made under subsection 9 (2) is constitutionally valid or is in conflict with the Human Rights Code. 15. (1) No term or condition included in an employment contract or collective agreement under or by virtue of this Act, process for consultation prescribed under this Act, or decision, approval, act, advice, direction, regulation or order made by the Minister or Lieutenant Governor in Council under this Act shall be questioned or reviewed in any court. Same (2) No steps shall be taken to have a court question, review, prohibit or restrain any consultation, review or approval process prescribed or initiated under this Act at the Minister’s or Lieutenant Governor in Council’s discretion. As much as people may not respect teachers, they do not deserve to be treated as second rate citizens without rights that all other Canadians enjoy. The right to challenge legislation against the constitution, human rights code, and in the courts. Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
Topaz Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 I'm not against unions, but some of these teachers in this union bug me. So let them strike and lets send all those public school kids to other schools that aren't striking and when the strike is over , how many would get layed off, cause the number of students are down? Winter is coming so let them strike and freeze, while students get on with their lives. Quote
DishGrith Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 I am very interested to be here. Thank you! Quote
socialist Posted October 9, 2012 Report Posted October 9, 2012 I'm not against unions, but some of these teachers in this union bug me. So let them strike and lets send all those public school kids to other schools that aren't striking and when the strike is over , how many would get layed off, cause the number of students are down? Winter is coming so let them strike and freeze, while students get on with their lives. You seem to be anti-teacher though. Disappointing. Teachers strike to improve conditions for learners. I thought you of all people would understand that. Quote Thankful to have become a free thinker.
TheNewTeddy Posted October 9, 2012 Report Posted October 9, 2012 You seem to be anti-teacher though. Disappointing. Teachers strike to improve conditions for learners. I thought you of all people would understand that. I thought they were striking for improved wages? Quote Feel free to contact me outside the forums. Add "TheNewTeddy" to Twitter, Facebook, or Hotmail to reach me!
Boges Posted October 9, 2012 Report Posted October 9, 2012 I thought they were striking for improved wages? Funny I thought they were upset about having their bankable sick days cut. They keep saying they have no problem with a wage freeze as long as grid wage increases still happen (which really isn't a wage freeze) Quote
MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) Funny I thought they were upset about having their bankable sick days cut. They keep saying they have no problem with a wage freeze as long as grid wage increases still happen (which really isn't a wage freeze) Bolded part shows proof of only reading right wing rag media on this issue. The MoU that Hudak and McGuinty forced through in the legislation still gives young teachers limited grid movement. (about 75% of normal) Anyone who had actually been paying attention and reading from many sources would know that. 60% of teachers are receiving no wage increase regardless of the outcome. 40% of teachers (YOUNG) are getting a raise anyway, it's in the MoU the Catholic union agreed to without having their membership or local leadership vote on. Their grid increase is being cut by 25%(6 months lost out of 2 years) and will save tens of thousands of dollars over the course of 10 years per teacher. All teachers are taking a pay cut in unpaid PD days. So, they aren't fighting for raises. They are fighting the arbitrary assignment of terms and conditions to their work environment and compensation. They are fighting for their right to bargain equivalent cuts that are more palatable to their profession. Edited October 9, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
MiddleClassCentrist Posted October 9, 2012 Author Report Posted October 9, 2012 (edited) I thought they were striking for improved wages? I too question a certain member's authenticity as a non-troll. ... But, unless you selectively did not read the sections of the act deeming it higher than court challenge, the constitution and the human rights code you could not come to that conclusion? Because you originally said that the constitution should be held as supreme law, trumping leglislation. To me, regardless of political stripe, that is something to strike for. Edited October 9, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist Quote Ideology does not make good policy. Good policy comes from an analysis of options, comparison of options and selection of one option that works best in the current situation. This option is often a compromise between ideologies.
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