Guest Peeves Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 Why won't they ratify Palestine's existence then? Rather naive Query. As of 18 January 2012, 130 (67.4%) of the 193 member states of the United Nations have recognised the State of Palestine. Many of the countries that do not recognise the State of Palestine nevertheless recognise the PLO as the "representative of the Palestinian people". In addition the PLO's executive committee is empowered by the PNC to perform the functions of government of the State of Palestine. There are no Palestinians per se. There are no borders, no government, no country of Palestine. No UN membership, rule of law, no Palestinian people. There will only be a Palestine when the Arabs guarantee the existence of Israel, and, Allah be praised,when Jews and infidels are accepted in and on holy Islamic territory, (of which Israel is considered.) In other words, never a Palestine where borders of Israel and the right of existence is accorded Israel. Could you perhaps answer your question yourself? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Posted October 7, 2012 The U.N. did not "create" Israel; it ratified its existence. The U.N. wasn't in there fighting back the armies that invaded from three or four directions the day it declared independence. And the U.N. certainly has done nothing to stanch the ensuing terrorism. Agreement. bud is out to lunch as usual. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Peeves Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 Agreement. bud is out to lunch as usual. Hope it's halal. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Posted October 7, 2012 Hope it's halal. bud isn't a cure for high blood pressure...sort of like a history course with numerous pages ripped from the books. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
jbg Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 bud isn't a cure for high blood pressure...sort of like a history course with numerous pages ripped from the books. Very good analogy. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
GostHacked Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 Wonder what would happen if Palestine did assert itself and declare it a nation the way Israel did. Would anyone have a problem with it? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 7, 2012 Author Report Posted October 7, 2012 Wonder what would happen if Palestine did assert itself and declare it a nation the way Israel did. Would anyone have a problem with it? The Arab's were given the same options as the Israelis. They chose war...then lost. Thus zee problem. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Bonam Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 Wonder what would happen if Palestine did assert itself and declare it a nation the way Israel did. Would anyone have a problem with it? That's exactly what Palestine should do. And if someone doesn't like it and invades the newly proclaimed nation, they should defend themselves, and win a war of independence. And once they've won, they'll be a nation, with whatever borders result from said war, just like Israel. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted October 7, 2012 Report Posted October 7, 2012 (edited) That's exactly what Palestine should do. And if someone doesn't like it and invades the newly proclaimed nation, they should defend themselves, and win a war of independence. And once they've won, they'll be a nation, with whatever borders result from said war, just like Israel. The Arabs can declare themselves as a nation-state any time they want to. They could have when Israel did. They declined then. There are so many factions and sectarian groups in Gaza and the West Bank they'd be unlikely if not impossible to agree on anything. Besides that Hamas-PLO Fatah-Hezbollah, Iran and others will never recognize Israels borders. Read their charters. I know of no Israeli charter that denies a right for Arabs to form an independent state on land that is not Israel, unlike the Arabs position. Further the Gaza-West Bank depend economically on Israel, the USA and the EU and could not sustain an independent government even if they could form a united government. Most working Arabs work for Israeli companies. Over a million Arabs are Israeli citizens. Million more are in Jordan and would swamp any self proclaimed Palestine. They could not defend themselves and are even at odds with Egypt. Iran would essentially control any Palestine. just as Syria did with Lebanon. As for winning any war for borders..ain't gonna happen. You're kidding right. Gaza and the West bank are different politically, and isolated from one another. They would need some concession trade of land with Israel to connect them. Fatah is hated by Hamas. If they, the Arabs want a Palestine, they first must come to a binding peace agreement with Israel, accepting the Israeli borders and the right of Israel to exist in peace. Unfortunately, any Arab that would accept that will be summarily murdered. Edited October 7, 2012 by Peeves Quote
bud Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Read their charters. I know of no Israeli charter that denies a right for Arabs to form an independent state on land that is not Israel, unlike the Arabs position. then you don't know likud's platform: Self-Rule The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
dre Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 That's exactly what Palestine should do. And if someone doesn't like it and invades the newly proclaimed nation, they should defend themselves, and win a war of independence. And once they've won, they'll be a nation, with whatever borders result from said war, just like Israel. How the hell do you have a war of independence with a country that doesnt even claim sovereignty over either your territory or people? Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
bud Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) It's everywhere. It's you who has failed to show you don't support terrorism. besides never agreeing to any terrorist activity, i've also stated i don't know support terrorism. can you prove that i support terrorism? if not, then you fail. i, on the other hand, prove that you support zionism and propagate misinformation and lies pretty much every time i comment on your comments. you're a hasbara bot and the supporter of a government who continues to violate international law. it's undeniable. See? Isn't this fun? what's fun? your failure in trying to flip the table? Edited October 8, 2012 by bud Quote http://whoprofits.org/
jbg Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 then you don't know likud's platform: Self-Rule The Government of Israel flatly rejects the establishment of a Palestinian Arab state west of the Jordan river. The Palestinians can run their lives freely in the framework of self-rule, but not as an independent and sovereign state. That came well after decades of Palestinian rejection of anything less than Israel's dissolution. Were the Israelis to suspend the running of time and wait forever for some minority faction of Palestinians to embrace pragmatism? Sadat tried that and it didn't end well for him. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Argus Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) it's interesting that you compare hasbara bots to terrorists. however, i have never once defended terrorists while you regularly apologize for, try to justify and propagate for the zionist regime. it's easy to win debates with you, because the truth is on my side. Easy to lose them too. As a general rule of thumb I've found that anyone who uses terms like 'zionist regime' is a mindless anti-Israel fanatic, and likely anti-semite, and I dismiss anything and everything they say as one-sided drivel. Edited October 8, 2012 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Mr.Canada Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 There are lost of places for Arabs to live and only one place for Jews to live. I don't see why you are calling for the destruction of Israel bud. It's easy to see that your hate for the Jews runs deep. Was this racism taught to you from an early age? Anti-semitism is a growing problem on the left. Look at the quotes by Libby Davies attacking Jews and Israel, it's like something right off of Stormfront. The Jews have been persecuted and driven out of countries for 5000 years and now they finally have a country of their own that you'd like to see stripped from them. You are advocating for them to become second class citizens again. Until the Palestines stop killing innocent Jewish civilians I see no reason that peace will happen. Quote "You are scum for insinuating that isn't the case you snake." -William Ashley Canadian Immigration Reform Blog
Guest Peeves Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 There are lost of places for Arabs to live and only one place for Jews to live. I don't see why you are calling for the destruction of Israel bud. It's easy to see that your hate for the Jews runs deep. Was this racism taught to you from an early age? Anti-semitism is a growing problem on the left. Look at the quotes by Libby Davies attacking Jews and Israel, it's like something right off of Stormfront. The Jews have been persecuted and driven out of countries for 5000 years and now they finally have a country of their own that you'd like to see stripped from them. You are advocating for them to become second class citizens again. Until the Palestines stop killing innocent Jewish civilians I see no reason that peace will happen. Bud posts on Israeli kids throwing stones, meantime, Hamas fires rockets from Gaza into Israeli civilian zoos and it's ignored. That's called anti-Semitic balance by some. Not me of course, stones are deadly in the hands of an8 year old. Quote
Guest Peeves Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) http://www.iris.org.il/images/arabwld3.gif Still, among their enemies the Arabs count...wellllllllll :angry: each other. Plus Iran, Turkey of course. Find Israel. http://www.mapsofworld.com/middle-east-map.html Edited October 8, 2012 by Peeves Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 (edited) Pat Condell sums up the situation in 2 vids... Edited October 8, 2012 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Pat Condell is an incredible troll. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 Pat Condell is an incredible troll. Perhaps you can get him banned. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 Perhaps you can get him banned. I won't get him banned, people get banned all by themselves, including me. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 I won't get him banned, people get banned all by themselves, including me. Right...lol. Anyways, what part of Pat's two vids did you find 'trollish'? Or did you just say that upon seeing the post? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bud Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 That came well after decades of Palestinian rejection of anything less than Israel's dissolution. Were the Israelis to suspend the running of time and wait forever for some minority faction of Palestinians to embrace pragmatism? Sadat tried that and it didn't end well for him. quit trying to make excuses and trying to justify israel's blatant unwillingness to accept a palestinian state. the israeli government has vowed to never allow a palestinian state. this is pretty shitty. at least arafat and PLO/Fatah have formally accepted israel's right to exist and based on the 1967 border. israel cannot be trusted in willing to work towards creating a palestinian state. israel should be side-stepped and a palestinian state should be made official through the UN. much like israel was 60 years ago. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
bud Posted October 8, 2012 Report Posted October 8, 2012 As a general rule of thumb I've found that anyone who uses terms like 'zionist regime' is a mindless anti-Israel fanatic, and likely anti-semite, and I dismiss anything and everything they say as one-sided drivel. the zionist ideology is an ugly ideology. mostly because it promotes achieving its goals by any means, including walking all over other people's rights. i dislike zionism as much as i dislike wahabism and whatever form of theocratic ideology the rulers in iran follow. so you can think whatever you want, but to call me anti-semite based on my condemnation of the zionist ideology is ignorant. Quote http://whoprofits.org/
DogOnPorch Posted October 8, 2012 Author Report Posted October 8, 2012 Arafat...born in Cairo. Says a lot... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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