Muslims in Toronto demand end to freedom of speech and expression.

[kraychik]

Multiculturalism is a way to promote inferior cultures as equals.

Well said. Try telling Michael Hardner that.

[guyser]

You prove you are this well...

hate-filled rural dumb hicks

Because we do this?

It doesn't bother you that we import anti-democratic third-worlders and others en masse to destroy our culture (which you would struggle to define) and economy (which you don't even understand).

How does the advertising go for this over seas?

Hey people, come live in Canada please! We want you , and we want you to come and destroy our culture and economy

Yea, pretty obvious whos the hick here

[PIK]

So michael ,you have no problem with a society that one group of people have to tip toe around so they don't offend another group of people that have a history of going berserk when offended?

[kraychik]

You prove you are this well...

Because we do this?

How does the advertising go for this over seas?

Hey people, come live in Canada please! We want you , and we want you to come and destroy our culture and economy

Yea, pretty obvious whos the hick here

I'm in good company, it seems. DogOnPorch and Wild Bill must also be inbred hate-filled hicks like I am.

[DogOnPorch]

Well said. Try telling Michael Hardner that.

Some cultures keep women in inferior roles yet because of multiculturalism, I'm supposed to view that as OK. Not only OK, but OK in my country of Canada where women fought hard for their rights to be treated as equals. I'm supposed to be OK with another culture protesting like Nazis in the streets, calling for the death of individuals while trying to limit my ability to complain about it. I'll be reassured that all will be fine by those who support this madness...perhaps not in deed, but in concept.

Everything is OK...ignore the man goosestepping...it's his culture.

[kraychik]

So michael ,you have no problem with a society that one group of people have to tip toe around so they don't offend another group of people that have a history of going berserk when offended?

Isn't it clear to you, yet? Michael Hardner doesn't want to talk about this. It's too unpleasant, and he can't answer core questions. So instead, he wants to suggest that we're wasting our time talking about this on MLW when we should be demonstrating on Palriament Hill and contacting our MPs. He doesn't want to be forced to defend his indefensible non-position.

[kraychik]

Some cultures keep women in inferior roles yet because of multiculturalism, I'm supposed to view that as OK. Not only OK, but OK in my country of Canada where women fought hard for their rights to be treated as equals. I'm supposed to be OK with another culture protesting like Nazis in the streets, calling for the death of individuals while trying to limit my ability to complain about it. I'll be reassured that all will be fine by those who support this madness...perhaps not in deed, but in concept.

Everything is OK...ignore the man goosestepping...it's his culture.

Well, there seems to a be a gradual awakening in Canada towards the failures of multiculturalism and leftism, in general. As depressing as it sometimes is, Canada can certainly recover. Jason Kenney has already taken some babysteps towards addressing this.

[Michael Hardner]

The truth is you're afraid of this subject matter, that's why you engage in hysterics when your ridiculous positions are challenged.

You might have a point if in fact you challenged my positions. Instead you scream about multculturalism, leftism... label people, accuse them... really you're not building an argument here at all.

If you are, then please explain why we're talking about these "cultures" in the first place. If we can't agree on that, then we have nothing to build a discussion on do we ?

[kraychik]

You might have a point if in fact you challenged my positions. Instead you scream about multculturalism, leftism... label people, accuse them... really you're not building an argument here at all.

If you are, then please explain why we're talking about these "cultures" in the first place. If we can't agree on that, then we have nothing to build a discussion on do we ?

Again, "cultures" in quotations...

[Michael Hardner]

Multiculturalism is a way to promote inferior cultures as equals.

Again, this is just labelling and name calling to make people feel better. Are all cultures inferior to ours as you say ? Let's get a basis for discussion first.

It seems that we're talking about our superior culture. Are other cultures as good as ours ? Should we promote multiculturalism with those cultures ?

I'm trying to crawl around inside your brain (figuratively) to figure out how you see the world. I doubt we'll ever agree but if you and K just want to should slogans and then run away we won't have any basis to disagree.

[guyser]

I'm in good company,

No you are alone.

None of them mentioned would post that we get people who want to destroy or culture and economy.

They arent....(cough cough) dumb.

[DogOnPorch]

Well, there seems to a be a gradual awakening in Canada towards the failures of multiculturalism and leftism, in general. As depressing as it sometimes is, Canada can certainly recover. Jason Kenney has already taken some babysteps towards addressing this.

I trust those religious nut bars about as much as I trust multiculturalism to protect my and my family's rights. That they wish to throw folks in prison for possession of a @#$%*&^ plant is typical of their ill advised thinking. That they wish to open my emails at a whim is not freedom.

[Michael Hardner]

So michael ,you have no problem with a society that one group of people have to tip toe around so they don't offend another group of people that have a history of going berserk when offended?

Loaded question. The only people who get offended, it seems to me, are the ones who are terrified they'll be called racists when it's pointed out that they don't like certain people.

You obviously don't want to "tip toe" around insulting people you don't like. So why do it ?

[DogOnPorch]

Again, this is just labelling and name calling to make people feel better. Are all cultures inferior to ours as you say ? Let's get a basis for discussion first.

It seems that we're talking about our superior culture. Are other cultures as good as ours ? Should we promote multiculturalism with those cultures ?

I'm trying to crawl around inside your brain (figuratively) to figure out how you see the world. I doubt we'll ever agree but if you and K just want to should slogans and then run away we won't have any basis to disagree.

If you think K and I are cut from the same cloth, you're mistaken. My family fought for this country. Perhaps yours did, too. We didn't take down the Nazis and Japanese fascists just to allow other fascists to dictate the terms in Canada under the guise of cultural sensitivity and community cohesion.

[Michael Hardner]

Isn't it clear to you, yet? Michael Hardner doesn't want to talk about this. It's too unpleasant, and he can't answer core questions. So instead, he wants to suggest that we're wasting our time talking about this on MLW when we should be demonstrating on Palriament Hill and contacting our MPs. He doesn't want to be forced to defend his indefensible non-position.

No - I'm just waiting for a good suggestion that goes beyond ... we should do better at screening people from certain cultures. If you want to ban certain religions from Canada, then why not have the guts to say so ? You're pretty mushy for an anti-immigration type. Stand up for what you believe and who you dislike.

[cybercoma]

Michael,

Bless your tenacity, but have you considered that there isn't any real discussion because this is just pure unadulterated trolling?

[Michael Hardner]

We didn't take down the Nazis and Japanese fascists just to allow other fascists to dictate the terms in Canada under the guise of cultural sensitivity and community cohesion.

Your call to patriotism rings hollow and has no effect on me. If your argument makes sense, then you shouldn't have to call forward such emotionalism.

I could argue that your relatives fought against religious scapegoating such as goes on here.

[kraychik]

No you are alone.

None of them mentioned would post that we get people who want to destroy or culture and economy.

They arent....(cough cough) dumb.

Both Wild Bill and DogOnPorch echoed my earlier sentiment about disastrous immigration and multiculturalism policies. Wild Bill described "violent and dangerous" cultures, and DogOnPorch described "inferior" cultures. We're all on the same page, here. We want responsible immigration policies and an end to contemporary multiculturalism that calls for cultural/moral relativism. Of course, the leftist entourage resorts to slander, suggesting that such responsible perspectives are bigoted and grounded in unjustifiable prejudice.

[DogOnPorch]

No - I'm just waiting for a good suggestion that goes beyond ... we should do better at screening people from certain cultures. If you want to ban certain religions from Canada, then why not have the guts to say so ? You're pretty mushy for an anti-immigration type. Stand up for what you believe and who you dislike.

If they play the game I see no problem. But, do you seriously want MORE of those folks as seen in that Michael Coren video? More hate filled idiots like Zafar Bangash? More children like the one in that video screaming out his hatred for the USA, Israel and Canada which he no doubt learned from some well meaning adult?

[kraychik]

No - I'm just waiting for a good suggestion that goes beyond ... we should do better at screening people from certain cultures. If you want to ban certain religions from Canada, then why not have the guts to say so ? You're pretty mushy for an anti-immigration type. Stand up for what you believe and who you dislike.

So here we go with the accusations of thought crime. I've stated many times that there are certain specific measures that could be implemented when it comes to screening people based on values. Leftist like you just responded with nonsense like, "Well, what if they lie? How you gonna deal with that, smart guy?". Yeah... great logic, let's get rid of the laws on the books against murder because we can't stop it in all cases.

Don't you get it? There's no point in discussing specifics with you when not only do you reject the existence of a cultural struggle in Canada that is directly connected to contemporary immigration and "multiculturalism" policies, but you are also committed to slandering views that reject your leftist universalism and cultural/moral relativity as bigotry and unjustifiable prejudice. Why in the world should one get specific with a person like you who doesn't even understand the broad concepts involved? It's as if you want to learn about the electron transport chain before even knowing the components of a cell.

You don't even understand the basics, so why get specific with you?

[kraychik]

If they play the game I see no problem. But, do you seriously want MORE of those folks as seen in that Michael Coren video? More hate filled idiots like Zafar Bangash? More children like the one in that video screaming out his hatred for the USA, Israel and Canada which he no doubt learned from some well meaning adult?

Well, we can't possibly do anything to stop it that would be reconcilable with the politics of left, so Michael Hardner and the rest of his troupe would prefer to resign and just throw in the towel.

[DogOnPorch]

Your call to patriotism rings hollow and has no effect on me. If your argument makes sense, then you shouldn't have to call forward such emotionalism.

I could argue that your relatives fought against religious scapegoating such as goes on here.

Religious scapegoating? Where's that going on here? I'm commenting on the religious hate rally that occurred in Toronto last weekend. That was the religion Islam asking for special privileges in terms of everybody else's rights.

[kraychik]

Your call to patriotism rings hollow and has no effect on me. If your argument makes sense, then you shouldn't have to call forward such emotionalism.

Right, because patriotism is something you have contempt for. Patriotism and nationalism are values of the ignorant right-wing, and (fake) intellectuals like yourself are beyond such low-level values.

I could argue that your relatives fought against religious scapegoating such as goes on here.

Nice disgusting comment, trying to suggest that we're Nazis. Its also sick that you're suggesting that anything we've said even remotely resembles Nazism's values.

[Michael Hardner]

If they play the game I see no problem. But, do you seriously want MORE of those folks as seen in that Michael Coren video? More hate filled idiots like Zafar Bangash? More children like the one in that video screaming out his hatred for the USA, Israel and Canada which he no doubt learned from some well meaning adult?

No, I want less of those people. I hope that answers it.

[kraychik]

Religious scapegoating? Where's that going on here? I'm commenting on the religious hate rally that occurred in Toronto last weekend. That was the religion Islam asking for special privileges in terms of everybody else's rights.

He's describing me, and perhaps by extension you if you're on board with me in this thread, as a Nazi. That's how despicable Michael Hardner's politics are.