Fired Teacher Hired - Unbelievable

[bleeding heart]

Although considering Canada is packed with folks like Michael Hardner and bleeding heart, that's not likely to happen.

A strong argument for the overall awesomeness of this country, to be sure.

[socialist]

A strong argument for the overall awesomeness of this country, to be sure.

teacher unions are thankfully very powerful. i had a great discussion about educational issues this afternoon. when something like this no zero policy goes public there is always an instant backlash and many in the public are angry. but educators know that all these things eventually go away. teachers and unions just have to wait things out until the storm blows over. nobody is talking about the no zero policy anymore or any other topic in education that may be controversial. i found that very interesting.

[GostHacked]

teacher unions are thankfully very powerful. i had a great discussion about educational issues this afternoon. when something like this no zero policy goes public there is always an instant backlash and many in the public are angry. but educators know that all these things eventually go away. teachers and unions just have to wait things out until the storm blows over. nobody is talking about the no zero policy anymore or any other topic in education that may be controversial. i found that very interesting.

Because they don't want to lose their job over principles. Not really the kind of teachers I would respect. Go along to get along is not an excuse. Lack of ... integrity. I'd want a teacher with a little more integrity than me, if they ever have a hope of educating my child.

[socialist]

Because they don't want to lose their job over principles. Not really the kind of teachers I would respect. Go along to get along is not an excuse. Lack of ... integrity. I'd want a teacher with a little more integrity than me, if they ever have a hope of educating my child.

doesn't matter. unions are more powerful than parents and students.

[Guest Peeves]

http://www.edmontonj...5831/story.html

The public speaks and common sense should prevail. Zero's should be a teacher's choice.

I feel justified in my position.

EDMONTON - About 50 parents, teachers and education authorities met at an Edmonton high school this week, where parents decided overwhelmingly that zeros should not be off-limits as a teaching tool.

“Teachers should be given the flexibility to use their professional discretion in assessment, including assigning zeros,” said a parent-approved recommendation that will be sent to the new principal at Ross Sheppard High School. “We recognize that there is no one-size-fits-all solution and feel that teachers are in the best position to determine what will motivate and inspire exceptional learning.”

Parents are urging Ross Sheppard principal Mike Suderman to change a school policy brought in by the previous principal that prohibits teachers from grading students with zeros for missed assignment or exams. Instead, teachers are required to use behaviour codes such as “not handed in” for missed work.

The vast majority of parents at Wednesday night’s school council meeting disagreed with the no-zero approach, said Allan Garber, co-chair of Ross Sheppard’s newly established school council.

[Wild Bill]

doesn't matter. unions are more powerful than parents and students.

You may be right. However, there is a cost. The support for teachers from parents has become severely strained. Somehow, I don't think attitudes like yours will help.

A trend seems to have been established. More and more parents are becoming dissatisfied with both teachers and the school system in general. An eventual conflict seems inevitable.

[socialist]

You may be right. However, there is a cost. The support for teachers from parents has become severely strained. Somehow, I don't think attitudes like yours will help.

A trend seems to have been established. More and more parents are becoming dissatisfied with both teachers and the school system in general. An eventual conflict seems inevitable.

You may be right. However, there is a cost. The support for teachers from parents has become severely strained. Somehow, I don't think attitudes like yours will help.

A trend seems to have been established. More and more parents are becoming dissatisfied with both teachers and the school system in general. An eventual conflict seems inevitable.

Sorry to burst your bubble bill, but parents satisfaction in public schools is at an all time high across canada.

Dumb parents and people who know nothing about education will like this article. this article shows you how out of touch the right wingers are.

http://www.torontosun.com/2012/09/27/take-back-classrooms-we-need-to-borrow-a-line-from-the-80s-and-just-say-no-to-educrats

[socialist]

You may be right. However, there is a cost. The support for teachers from parents has become severely strained. Somehow, I don't think attitudes like yours will help.

A trend seems to have been established. More and more parents are becoming dissatisfied with both teachers and the school system in general. An eventual conflict seems inevitable.

Sorry to burst your bubble bill, but parents satisfaction in public schools is at an all time high across canada.

Dumb parents and people who know nothing about education will like this article. this article shows you how out of touch the right wingers are.

http://www.torontosu...-no-to-educrats

[pete t teepee]

Well, you seem to be the one complaining that Mr. Dorval has a great deal of public support.

As a point of interest, it would appear that the principal who fired him has NONE

I support the principal, 100%.

I'm self employed. If I ask an employee to do something and they refuse. I fire them, on the spot. I don't give them numerous chances to comply as was the case with Mr. Dorval. Nor do I hold children or teens accountable to all the standards that I expect of an adult. If I had a teenager as an employee, I'd do my best to teach them the importance of abiding work duties before eventually firing them. The no zero policy was implemented because it gives marginalized students hope and motivation to continue when they make a bad decision because they have no support at home. These students are acutely aware that their youth is what grants them the exception and the same consideration likely won't be presented to them as adults. The idea that this special treatment permanently corrupts their work ethic into adulthood is absurd. Mr. Dorval seems oblivious to the fact that he himself enjoyed the equivalent of a no zero policy in being given numerous chances to capitulate. This policy works and it's why most of the country now abides it. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Edited October 17, 2012 by pete t teepee

[socialist]

I support the principal, 100%.

I'm self employed. If I ask an employee to do something and they refuse. I fire them, on the spot. I don't give them numerous chances to comply as was the case with Mr. Dorval. Nor do I hold children or teens accountable to all the standards that I expect of an adult. If I had a teenager as an employee, I'd do my best to teach them the importance of abiding work duties before eventually firing them. The no zero policy was implemented because it gives marginalized students hope and motivation to continue when they make a bad decision because they have no support at home. These students are acutely aware that their youth is what grants them the exception and the same consideration likely won't be presented to them as adults. The idea that this special treatment permanently corrupts their work ethic into adulthood is absurd. Mr. Dorval seems oblivious to the fact that he himself enjoyed the equivalent of a no zero policy in being given numerous chances to capitulate. This policy works and it's why most of the country now abides it. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

I couldn't have said it any better. The no zero policy is a good policy and has proven to be effective.

[Wild Bill]

Sorry to burst your bubble bill, but parents satisfaction in public schools is at an all time high across canada.

Dumb parents and people who know nothing about education will like this article. this article shows you how out of touch the right wingers are.

http://www.torontosu...-no-to-educrats

Why on earth would you cite an article that flat out supported MY side of the argument!

Did you even read it?

[Guest Peeves]

I support the principal, 100%.

I'm self employed. If I ask an employee to do something and they refuse. I fire them, on the spot. I don't give them numerous chances to comply as was the case with Mr. Dorval. Nor do I hold children or teens accountable to all the standards that I expect of an adult. If I had a teenager as an employee, I'd do my best to teach them the importance of abiding work duties before eventually firing them. The no zero policy was implemented because it gives marginalized students hope and motivation to continue when they make a bad decision because they have no support at home. These students are acutely aware that their youth is what grants them the exception and the same consideration likely won't be presented to them as adults. The idea that this special treatment permanently corrupts their work ethic into adulthood is absurd. Mr. Dorval seems oblivious to the fact that he himself enjoyed the equivalent of a no zero policy in being given numerous chances to capitulate. This policy works and it's why most of the country now abides it. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

How interesting. However he had every expectation of being reprimanded or fired, he often said so publicly so your position on that point is moot.

Your other point, that "The no zero policy was implemented because it gives marginalized students hope and motivation to continue" is belied by the common enough ignoring of the threat of zero marking in failure to do the required work.

Students were offered another opportunity to correct the Zero mark . If then again they did not, ZERO stayed and why not!

One parent cited their students stand on not doing their work and insisting "it wouldn't matter" as unbelievable until she checked and found that to be true. Students apparently (according to parents) had found they could do the school work or not as THEY saw fit for it made no difference.

That a teacher, then other teachers, then some other students, then a parents meeting found the "No Zero Policy" to be faulty gives me some hope that common sense is out there. Just not much of it.

Edited October 17, 2012 by Peeves

[Bonam]

Why on earth would you cite an article that flat out supported MY side of the argument!

Did you even read it?

I assume it's because he "didn't get a zero" in reading, if you know what I mean.

[bleeding heart]

I assume it's because he "didn't get a zero" in reading, if you know what I mean.

Nice.

[Guest Peeves]

Another country heard from.

Zero is a mark.

Pedicone: Pueblo's no-zero grading 'crossed the line'

Dylan Smith TucsonSentinel.com

Tucson Unified School District officials are tossing out a "naive" Pueblo High plan to give students a minimum 50 points on every assignment, even in cases of cheating.

Calling a plan to institute "no-zero" grading at Pueblo Magnet High School "well-intentioned" but "naive," TUSD Superintendent John Pedicone said Wednesday that the principal of the South Side school was told, "You can't do that."

http://www.tucsonsen...g-crossed-line/

[socialist]

Why on earth would you cite an article that flat out supported MY side of the argument!

Did you even read it?

Yes, I read it. My point is to prove that your far riht views are echoed by far right media like Sun News. that must be embarrassin for you?

[Mr.Canada]

Yes, I read it. My point is to prove that your far riht views are echoed by far right media like Sun News. that must be embarrassin for you?

I'm the far right guy. I want nationalist fascism in Canada. I don't think Wild Bill is far right.

[socialist]

I'm the far right guy. I want nationalist fascism in Canada. I don't think Wild Bill is far right.

You are entitled to your opinion. thankfully less than 1% of canadians feel the same way as you. basically you are Mr. Irrelevant.

[Mr.Canada]

You are entitled to your opinion. thankfully less than 1% of canadians feel the same way as you. basically you are Mr. Irrelevant.

you're a fringe as qwell socialist. Not much popularity for a far left PM either.

[socialist]

you're a fringe as qwell socialist. Not much popularity for a far left PM either.

actually my views are common among a majority of tecahers in this county. we mold the minds of the youth so i am far from the fringe where you reside.

[Signals.Cpl]

Be careful Mr. Canada, someone is stalking you... he knows where you reside...

[Mr.Canada]

Be careful Mr. Canada, someone is stalking you... he knows where you reside...

He can come to my house anytime he wants. I have offered many times to meet people in person on this board for lunch or a drink or w/e and no one has ever had enough balls to do it so I'm not afraid. I have nothing to hide and am exactly as I say I am.

Mid thirties, well built, professional online poker player, formerly homeless and lived on the street, been to jail several times(10-12 maybe a few more), turned my life around, live in halton region, got a pardon and now lead a quiet Catholic life. I wonder what some other people are hiding.

I am so extremist because I have actually turned it around and realize that no one gave me anything I worked for it and if people aren't prepared to work for it they deserve nothing and have no reason to complain. Life owes you nothing.

Edited October 18, 2012 by Mr.Canada

[Signals.Cpl]

He can come to my house anytime he wants. I have offered many times to meet people in person on this board for lunch or a drink or w/e and no one has ever had enough balls to do it so I'm not afraid. I have nothing to hide and am exactly as I say I am.

Mid thirties, well built, professional online poker player, formerly homeless and lived on the street, been to jail several times(10-12 maybe a few more), turned my life around, live in halton region, got a pardon and now lead a quiet Catholic life. I wonder what some other people are hiding.

I am so extremist because I have actually turned it around and realize that no one gave me anything I worked for it and if people aren't prepared to work for it they deserve nothing and have no reason to complain. Life owes you nothing.

I was kidding, I didn't mean that you and socialist should be duking it out in person...

[bleeding heart]

I was kidding, I didn't mean that you and socialist should be duking it out in person...

I dunno....the Communist versus the Fascist? Might be worth watching.

[Signals.Cpl]

I dunno....the Communist versus the Fascist? Might be worth watching.

I think the results might be somewhat different than those from the Eastern Front in World War 2.