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I support the principal, 100%. I'm self employed. If I ask an employee to do something and they refuse. I fire them, on the spot. I don't give them numerous chances to comply as was the case with Mr. Dorval. Nor do I hold children or teens accountable to all the standards that I expect of an adult. If I had a teenager as an employee, I'd do my best to teach them the importance of abiding work duties before eventually firing them. The no zero policy was implemented because it gives marginalized students hope and motivation to continue when they make a bad decision because they have no support at home. These students are acutely aware that their youth is what grants them the exception and the same consideration likely won't be presented to them as adults. The idea that this special treatment permanently corrupts their work ethic into adulthood is absurd. Mr. Dorval seems oblivious to the fact that he himself enjoyed the equivalent of a no zero policy in being given numerous chances to capitulate. This policy works and it's why most of the country now abides it. Seems pretty cut and dry to me.

Okay...innocent people die a slow horrible death. Children, parents, watch their very reason for being, the centre of their universe, slowly rot from the inside out, until they're dead and you denigrate this tragedy with an infantile trolling comment? I so...so wish you would repeat this comment while standing in Fort Chipeweyan. The closest person to you would knock your skull apart like a pinata. I should expect no less from someone who throws out gems like "brass tax". My 12 year old daughter has a better understanding of a colloquialism than you. I'm arguing with an imbecile. Washing the dishes would have been more productive. I'm disgusted with myself for even entertaining your idiocy with replies. I'm outta here

Where is this acceptable? in jerry's fantasy land? Our own justice system is saddled with a tremendous appeals process because it's based on the premise that it's better for a thousand criminals to walk free than it is to punish a single innocent person. It's why YOU accept the odd spill. When we're done investigating a car accident, WE CLEAN IT UP! We don't throw a blanket over it and say "its fine now" so that it doesn't cut into profits. Childish analogy!

Hey Kalamazoo, I realize that enbridge spewed oil across 40 miles of your state, and then rolled out truckloads of canvas cloth and planted grass over top of it instead of cleaning it up, and theres now 40 miles of oil leaching into the groundwater, and that it's all documented in graphic detail and posted all over youtube, but it's okay to drink the water now. The world is fine. Jerry says so.

Hey, Fort Chipeweyan, I realize that a fully independant study with controls in place to redundancy proved that you were dying at an alarming rate from heavy metal induced bile duct cancer from the tar sands, but it's safe to come out now. The world is fine. Jerry says so.

lmao I see I'm not the only comic relief lol

jerry......just........shhhhhhh....it's getting embarassing now....

Thats it?!?! Not even a pointy fact stick to poke at the grizzly with?!? C'MON MAAAN! I MADE POPCORN FOR THIS!! :angry:

I laughed so bad at this...relevant to the OP.

Anyway, on a more serious note, in the spirit of Jacee's OP, are we fiddling? Do we care? I don't think it's as much an issue of scientists getting it wrong or caring or fiddling. There's plenty of caring, at least in BC and Manitoba eastwards. Can't speak for Sask. as I've only driven through a half dozen times. I think the real issue is the gross and general underestimation of the almost boundless, money and power, of big oil. Change is coming. It's a mathematical certainty. We can do it the easy way, a few modest but substantial changes each year, until we have a substantial alternative energy infrastructure, or, we can do it the hard way, burning the oil candle at both ends, with no preparation and an economy centered around oil that will crash, sooner or later, like the world has never seen. Earlier in the thread, someone posed the question, do you really think people in the oil business snort coke and party all day (something to that effect) Short Answer: YES Greed, power and money have a way of impairing one's ability to see more than 5 minutes into the future. You will never guilt them into ethical behaviour. Their manner of thinking is more along the lines of "Good?...Bad?...I'm the guy with the gun" because they ARE the guy with the gun. The States has intimate relations with Saudi's (rife with human rights violations) because they have no choice. Without them, OPEC could obliterate north america overnight, with the flip of a switch. Has anyone done the math on billions poured into solar arrays around Calgary (sunniest place in Canada) instead of billions into tarsands? Yup...only good for the people, environment and sustainability though. No evil profits to be had there! Or converting only a few of the numerous multi-thousand acre farms around Winnipeg (2nd sunniest in Canada by a small margin) to solar? If one put forth a proposal to their MP, how far up the chain of command do you think it would go before big oil caught wind and shot it down in flames. Watch the movie Syriana for a glimpse of what's at stake when dealing with big oil. Sorry for the doom and gloom post but it is what it is. Change is coming, my guess is it will be the hard way.

Holy citations batman!!! gunrutz..he caught you dood...you got logic-raped. *mental note to self*...study to save your soul before attempting to intellectually "hang" wit waldo. Does MLW have a badass rebuttal of the year award?? If waldo disagrees with me at any given moment, can I just tap-out? lol

P.S. I still think the OP is Pauline Marois incognito

I second this. Cyber opened a can of logic whoopass! Look at the bright side guys...you could always rejoin your FB page with 10 different email accounts and bump your membership to 30!

The election results say quebec disagrees with you. You're trolling James...say...is this Pauline Marois????

Won't be much fun to be among the 1% when they're lined up in front of the guillotine again lol

It didn't show the limits of Israel's military. It showed the limits of Israel's diplomacy.They'd have damned themselves if they wholesale cooked the country. They were already getting slammed for the damage they'd done. Going for all of hezbollah, which immersed itself amongst the population was not an option as no serious and immediate threat to the countries existence was present. They chose lebanon's strategic targets and dialed them backwards in time by two decades, exactly as they said they would. If the rest of the world reached a consensus that a real threat to Israel's existence was present, at a given moment in time, Israel, today, has enough american supplied tech and hardware to "erase" any of the surrounding countries, at will. Israel can and WILL incinerate every living thing in any of those countries if it's survival is at stake.

They ALL know the rules, forwards and backwards. They choose indiscretions that can be validated with plausible excuses. They ALL carry on with the bombastic rhetoric Bill. My previous post was opinion. This one is fact.

Yikes! In my determination to not make a simple math error, I make a simple logic error lol. I promise to never ever post again with eyes burning while fading in and out of consciousness from fatigue. It's the total accrueing debt, not just interest, which incinerates mummys entire tax submission, in ten seconds flat. Accrueing debt,with it's utterly insane interest, buys a shiny, PROPERLY COSTED, f-35, every 11 hours. Auditor general costed entire fleet of 65 at 25 billion over 20 years. 40 mill apiece. Comparing us to other countries performance, in the context of the original post, is just trying to dig up some positive spin at the forensic level. We have the best banking system with balanced regulation, we damn well should do better than the rest and we did but it's our banking system that saved us, not Harpers money managing, as this attempt at positive spin would suggest. The States absorbed an economic atomic bomb because Bush deregulated and every financial institution went apeshit, giving mortgages to pet iguanas and such, selling them, then shaking twisting turning upside down and throwin em into an investment portfolio which they sluffed off on Joe Blow as terrific investments. Criminal behaviour and epic fraud, legalized! I identify with Wild Bills post very much. Globalization and open markets are economically freaky... but so is overregulation and beaurocracy. I think it's much of the reason we're often scrambling between just left of center to just right of center. Everyones growing weary of the choices and the scrambling and we're breaking records for lowest voter turnout.

Semantics. If you want to talk "adjusted" then add on the 12 billion surplus to their horrific money management. Don't only count the negative dollars. They pissed the surplus away as well. Plus 12ish to negative 50 something. It's the biggest run on Fed. govt. spending and corporate tax breaks EVER! EVER! EVER! Jean Chretien inherited a nearly 40 billion deficit from Mulroney and turned it into a 12 billion surplus that was paying down the national debt. Chretien's biggest mistake was to keep maintaining that huge surplus when Canadians were taxed to death and tax weary. If he'd thrown Canadians some substantial long overdue tax breaks while still keeping a surplus for debt management. He'd still be prime minister, sponsorship scandal or not. Check out the national debt clock http://www.debtclock.ca/ It goes up by a thousand dollars per second. My Mom pays ten grand a year in income tax. That maintains the interest on our national debt for 10 seconds before they have to move onto another taxed to death Canadian to pay the interest. Sickening. For over a decade we grit our teeth and made steady progress on deficit and debt reduction and Harper erased it at the behest of the 1%. If we were debt free, the money we're paying on interest on the debt right now would buy one of Harpers precious F-35's, every 11 hours. Two per day with change left over. This is at the auditor generals much higher cost projection. The entire fleet of 65 paid for in full, in one month. Staggering. I've seen some good posts of yours but this one? If your premise is that Harpers managing our money well? sorry buddy not. even. close.

Let's replace your dialogue with the events unfolding in Alberta. Scenario 1 Boss: did you abide that policy mandated to us yet? Teacher: No. It's a stupid policy. Boss: It's been mandated to us. Do it! Teacher: No. (rinse and repeat numerous times) Boss: It's not your job to decide policy. You're a teacher. You can't fabricate your own policy any more than you can fabricate your own biased curriculum. Teacher: No! Boss: You're fired! School doesn't teach discipline. Parents do. Many students have shitty parents or parents on the threshold of survival who can't focus on their child's learning. These students have a disadvantage from the start. The no zero policy tries to address this by creating a buffer zone for these kids to buy them some time to develop adult level discipline without snuffing out hope. If all kids had adult level discipline and insight, they wouldn't need parents would they? We'd have 13 year olds all over the place in their own apartments living on student loans lol. The difference between a zero and an incomplete, psychologically, to a student, is HUGE! The policy works. That's why it's there. Parents are a child's instrument to learning. Show me a good student and I'll show you a good parent. Show me a good student from a bad home and I'll show you some great policy.

So...they inherit an established annual budget surplus from the libs. They cut social programs in the last budget, slash thousands of jobs, have completed the economic stimulus spending, terminate environmental oversight on a grand scale (500 projects in BC alone) and they're still 20 something billion short of breaking even and you're submitting this performance as not so bad? ooooooooooookay

This is wrong and can not be tolerated. Elections rules must be abided ALWAYS but if you're submitting that this is somehow on the same order of magnitude as the conservative robocall scandal, you are seriously delusional.

I'm gonna chime in and say I don't buy the "mistake" excuse. It was cheating the same as the conservatives cheated. They both did it, neither one is defensible. That said, NDP has a lotta cheats to go to catch the cons lol.

Agreed. Cons seem desperate with this one. The liberal horsey is dead, stop beating it. It's startin to make squishy noises already lol. Next we're gonna hear..LIBERAL SPONSORSHIP SCANDAL OOOOO...AAAHHHHHH. How come the story of the Con minister handing out a huge construction project to his own constituency with G20 funds, faded away so quietly. His constituency was 100 miles from the G20 and they caught him meddling in the decision making. That one indiscretion far exceeded the entire sponsorship scandal but the story just fades away quietly...hmmmm...me tinking media smack of conservatism.

You should read the updated story. Cops now say they know he was never in protected air space and they simply wanted to speak to him under the premise that he was promoting hatred. BS. Harper wanted him down. Harper gets what he wants. Nothing new.