Carbon Tax Farce

[madmax]

It appears that while Stockwell Day preaches to save Carbon Tax Christie in BC, the rest of the Federal Conservatives are busy sending memos fabricating a Carbon Tax boogeyman. And why not it worked well the first time with Dion.

Only thing is, Dion, much like the LibraCons in BC would have implemented such a tax.

Considering the Federal NDP campaigned against the regressive tax, its ironic that the Conservatives have chosen this field in which to drop there first allotments of horse manure to kick off the fall session.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/09/04/the-carbon-tax-farce/

The Conservative party sent out an “internal memo” over the weekend to warn Conservative MPs that Thomas Mulcair wants to introduce a carbon tax.

“As we prepare to come back to Ottawa for the fall session of Parliament, it is also important to ensure Canadian middle class families understand the threat posed by Thomas Mulcair’s risky and dangerous economic plan,” said the memo, from Conservative national campaign manager Jenni Byrne. “Canadian families know that a tax on carbon is a tax on everything and therefore a tax on everyone.”

So, will Conservative Orwellian tactics prevail or common sense.

[Boges]

So, will Conservative Orwellian tactics prevail or common sense.

What's Orwellian about reminding people that a Carbon Tax is really bad for the Canadian Middle-class.

[Tilter]

What's Orwellian about reminding people that a Carbon Tax is really bad for the Canadian Middle-class.

I guess what's Orwellian is that the NDP want it, would implement it if ever (unlikely) they had the chance to do so and the cat is out of the bag so the NDP must make an about face (usual for them)

[eyeball]

What's Orwellian about reminding people that a Carbon Tax is really bad for the Canadian Middle-class.

What's really bad for Canada is the capacity of so many Canadians to constantly put up with Harper's bullshit and the manner in which he spreads it. Exactly how does one hold their nose at the same time its being rubbed in it?

[Moonbox]

You fail to realize that most of us want nothing to do with the Canada you desire, and much prefer the other version. Sorry.

[Boges]

What's really bad for Canada is the capacity of so many Canadians to constantly put up with Harper's bullshit and the manner in which he spreads it. Exactly how does one hold their nose at the same time its being rubbed in it?

Not sure what you're talking about.

The 2008 Election was a pretty good rejection of the idea of a Carbon Tax.

[madmax]

Not sure what you're talking about.

The 2008 Election was a pretty good rejection of the idea of a Carbon Tax.

It sure was.

And thus why do the Conservatives want to implement a Carbon Tax.

Edited September 14, 2012 by madmax

[madmax]

What's Orwellian about reminding people that a Carbon Tax is really bad for the Canadian Middle-class.

Only the desperate smear is misleading.

Edited September 14, 2012 by madmax

[eyeball]

Not sure what you're talking about.

The 2008 Election was a pretty good rejection of the idea of a Carbon Tax.

You're saying it also rejected Harper's promise to cap-and-trade?

[madmax]

You're saying it also rejected Harper's promise to cap-and-trade?

Cap and Trade was part of the Conservative 2008 Throne Speech....

[eyeball]

You fail to realize that most of us want nothing to do with the Canada you desire, and much prefer the other version. Sorry.

I fully realize how many Canadians prefer dishonest governments and politicians. You should be sorry.

[madmax]

You fail to realize that most of us want nothing to do with the Canada you desire, and much prefer the other version. Sorry.

I prefer facts over farce.

[Boges]

It sure was.

And thus why do the Conservatives want to implement a Carbon Tax.

Where in the OP does it say they do? It's talks about Cap and Trade.

I think they were looking at it back in 2008/9 but the financial crisis put it on the back-burner.

Right now I doubt there's any appetite for Canadians to have either. Certainly not if the US isn't on board.

Barack Obama has paid similar lip-service to the idea of Carbon taxes and Cap and Trades. He's said it's something they want to pursue but have done little to implement one.

Cap and Trade has been a disaster in Europe. I would hope the CPC never go down that road.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Boges

[eyeball]

Cap and Trade was part of the Conservative 2008 Throne Speech....

Yes that's right, a carbon tax was part of the Conservative 2008 Throne Speech....

But beginning with the 2011 election, it has become the government’s position that cap-and-trade and a carbon tax are the same thing.

[madmax]

I guess what's Orwellian is that the NDP want it, would implement it if ever (unlikely) they had the chance to do so and the cat is out of the bag so the NDP must make an about face (usual for them)

Considering the NDP rejects Regressive taxes , that Conservatives normally prefer to put onto the middleclass, it is with open arms that the NDP and Conservatives campaigned against the Carbon Tax.

That said, Its been the right leading government in BC that implemented it$, while the NDP campaigned against it.

And I don't believe that the BC environment has improved since implementing the tax.

That said, the carbon tax is a regressive tax much like the HST. Something the Conservatives are paternal fathers of in BC and Ontario.

The biggest thing here is the Conservatives are engaged in a smear campaign.

Edited September 14, 2012 by madmax

[madmax]

Yes that's right, a carbon tax was part of the Conservative 2008 Throne Speech....

ERm.. NO!

[madmax]

Where in the OP does it say they do? It's talks about Cap and Trade.

I think they were looking at it back in 2008/9 but the financial crisis put it on the back-burner.

Right now I doubt there's any appetite for Canadians to have either. Certainly not if the US isn't on board.

Barack Obama has paid similar lip-service to the idea of Carbon taxes and Cap and Trades. He's said it's something they want to pursue but have done little to implement one.

Cap and Trade has been a disaster in Europe. I would hope the CPC never go down that road.

As Macleans has pointed out. The farce lies with the Conservatives, not with what you are saying.

[Boges]

Considering the NDP rejects Regressive taxes , that Conservatives normally prefer to put onto the middleclass, it is with open arms that the NDP and Conservatives campaigned against the Carbon Tax.

That said, Its been the right leading government in BC that implemented it$, while the NDP campaigned against it.

And I don't believe that the BC environment has improved since implementing the tax.

That said, the carbon tax is a regressive tax much like the HST. Something the Conservatives are paternal fathers of in BC and Ontario.

The biggest thing here is the Conservatives are engaged in a smear campaign.

Didn't the CPC cut the GST by 2%? I wasn't a fan of the HST but it was done to "sorta" streamline the system. It sucked the first few months to see new charges on essentials like Gas, Hydro and Heating fuel but the public has pretty much absorbed it.

At least here in Ontario, can't comment on BC. I know BC is a bit more PO'd about the HST.

Edited September 14, 2012 by Boges

[Boges]

The biggest thing here is the Conservatives are engaged in a smear campaign.

Yeah because only the CPC do stuff like that.

I remember the type of Fear-mongering the Liberals engaged in during the 2004 and 2006 election.

Hidden Agenda Hidden Agenda!!!!

[madmax]

Didn't the CPC cut the GST by 2%? I wasn't a fan of the HST but it was done to "sorta" streamline the system. It sucked the first few months to see next charges on essentials like Gas, Hydro and Heating fuel but the public has pretty much absorbed it.

At least here in Ontario, can't comment on BC. I know BC is a bit more PO'd about the HST.

I give BC credit for being PO'd.

In Ontario, its a slow bleed.....thats the intent of the tax. It takes time for its effects to accumulate. I recall a few businesses saying its had little to no effect... after a year and a bit, their tune was changing. People don't realize they have less money as quickly when they are being nickled and dimed.

Meanwhile Ontario re elected McGuinty and gave the Conservatives more seats in Ontario despite their $4.6billion dollar role in the HST, but I would call it voters remorse today.

Edited September 14, 2012 by madmax

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ERm.. NO!

But beginning with the 2011 election, it has become the government’s position that cap-and-trade and a carbon tax are the same thing.

[Boges]

But beginning with the 2011 election, it has become the government’s position that cap-and-trade and a carbon tax are the same thing.

I'll need more evidence of that than just some blog from Macleans Magazine.

Maybe they've come to reject both since 2008 but they've never supported Carbon Taxes.

[madmax]

macleans article text here...

You might wish to read the blog in context and quote within context.

As you're are highlighting the FARCE and presenting it as fact.

meanwhle it appears more Conservatives are getting caught on their misleading talking points.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/09/13/the-farce-is-strong-in-these-ones/

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With Thomas Mulcair visiting Brantford, Conservative MP Phil McColeman uses the phrase “carbon tax” three times in the space of a five-sentence quote (and his remarks are reported without being challenged).

And with Mr. Mulcair visiting London, Conservative MPs Susan Truppe, Joe Preston and Ed Holder send a letter to the Free Press to complain that, while in the city, the NDP leader didn’t mention a policy he hasn’t proposed.

Mr. McColeman, Mr. Preston and Mr. Holder were Conservative candidates in 2008, when their party platform included a promise to pursue a continental cap-and-trade system. They were duly elected Conservative MPs when the Harper government included that promise in its Throne Speech

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I used to laugh at American Political Rhetorhic and wondered why they lied so much and twisted the truth and fabricated pure BS.

Seems this style has been creeping into the Conservative Communications.

No wonder they have a difficult time in the US sorting fact from fiction.

[Boges]

The CPC did something similar in the 2011 campaign by insisting that if they weren't given a majority the 3 parties would form a coalition like they tried in 2008. Even though, of course, it wasn't in any of the parties platforms.

You could call it lying but it's more just accusing the opposition of lying or implying that they are hiding something.

This is really much ado about nothing.

[eyeball]

You might wish to read the blog in context and quote within context.

I thought I did. I even tried in VIEW IN CLEAN READING MODE and it still stank to high heaven.

As you're are highlighting the FARCE and presenting it as fact.

I thought I was highlighting the fact is was a farce.

meanwhle it appears more Conservatives are getting caught on their misleading talking points.

BTW are we talking about bullshit or horseshit? It's hard to keep things straight sometimes