The 5 Most Awful Atheists

[Guest American Woman]

(more on city council prayers here.)

Spoiler alert: Christians aren't as excited about them when they're not Christian prayers.

Oh goody! We get to criticize Christians in this thread too!! - which is a good thing, because there just aren't enough threads to do that in already.

Try to wrap this around your head - it's about the guy's over-reaction. You know, like the over-reaction of Christians you're so fond of posting about. He could have sued simply on the grounds that it's illegal, but no. His life has been full of anguish, rejection (from a religion he doesn't even believe in), and he has suffered from loss of enjoyment of life. To the tune of $5000. Gotta go for the money, because stopping the prayers just wouldn't be enough to get his life back on track.

[kimmy]

Try to wrap this around your head - it's about the guy's over-reaction. You know, like the over-reaction of Christians you're so fond of posting about. He could have sued simply on the grounds that it's illegal, but no. His life has been full of anguish, rejection (from a religion he doesn't even believe in), and he has suffered from loss of enjoyment of life. To the tune of $5000. Gotta go for the money, because stopping the prayers just wouldn't be enough to get his life back on track.

I think it's been pointed out that a claim of damages is a necessary part of filing a civil claim.

And I think it's been pointed out that he plans to donate any money he's awarded to a charity, so trying to spin it as a money-grubber move doesn't fly either.

-k

[Guest American Woman]

I think it's been pointed out that a claim of damages is a necessary part of filing a civil claim.

And in case you're unaware of it, people sometimes make it a token $1 damage claim.

And I think it's been pointed out that he plans to donate any money he's awarded to a charity, so trying to spin it as a money-grubber move doesn't fly either.

I was just recognizing his need to get some joy back in his life. He has, apparently, been suffering severely from the recitation of The Lord's Prayer. But that's not an over-reaction, eh?

Having said that, we now return to our regularly scheduled criticism of Christians who over-react....

[msj]

And I'm sure you're incredibly ignorant of what I "yearn for" or believe.

Funny that you will state this and yet you say the following about Peter Ferguson:

Someone [Peter Ferguson] who is suffering the way he is due to a prayer really needs to learn to be a little more tolerant of things he doesn't necessarily believe in- for the good of his mental health. But of course he's seeking monetary damages, which will likely put some of the spring back in his joyless step.

Yes, I'm sure his life becomes joyless and not worth living every time someone doesn't follow the law to a "T."

Lots of conjecture there. How do you know what will "put a spring in his step?"

Why not stop the two faced hypocrisy on this one, eh, AW?

[msj]

But that's not an over-reaction, eh?

In our society one sometimes needs to go to court and has to raise attention for their principles.

If/when the town council follows the law and stops the prayers then I would expect him to drop the lawsuit.

If/when he doesn't drop it and/or if/when he wins the $5,000 and does not donate it then I will put him in some kind of top 10,000 of awful atheists list.

Other than that I think you're the one who is having the over-reaction.

And based on what principles? You still have not answered kimmy's question:

Do you feel the request that prayer be dropped from council meetings is reasonable?

Edited September 4, 2012 by msj

[Guest American Woman]

Funny that you will state this and yet you say the following about Peter Ferguson:

Lots of conjecture there. How do you know what will "put a spring in his step?"

Why not stop the two faced hypocrisy on this one, eh, AW?

Oh quit yer cryin' and go back and criticize some Christians for over-reacting; we all know that there's nothing two faced or hypocritical about that, as you give this guy's over-reaction a pass.

(But fyi, the " " that followed my "likely" scenario was supposed to put my comment in it's proper context. Sorry that went over your head. )

[The_Squid]

Seems like a very reasonable lawsuit to me. If government will not enforce the law of Pntario, this citizen is willing to step up. Courts have ruled against this type of prayer/exclusion that occurs in town councils.

[msj]

Oh quit yer cryin' and go back and criticize some Christians for over-reacting; we all know that there's nothing two faced or hypocritical about that, as you give this guy's over-reaction a pass.

(But fyi, the " " that followed my "likely" scenario was supposed to put my comment in it's proper context. Sorry that went over your head. )

Are you going to answer kimmy's question or are you going to avoid it while continuing your cry of Christian Persecution?

Duck it all you want but I think kimmy has put up some very good substance to counter your emotion laden opinion and the fact that you prefer to go the emotional route rather than answer in a rational substantive way speaks volumes.

[kimmy]

Seems like a very reasonable lawsuit to me. If government will not enforce the law of Pntario, this citizen is willing to step up. Courts have ruled against this type of prayer/exclusion that occurs in town councils.

No! No! No! He's awful! He's an awful man!

He probably sounded much more awful to people who got all their information from GlenBeck.com, mind you.

-k

Edited September 4, 2012 by kimmy

[cybercoma]

More like whiny, pathetic, and persecuted. He needs to get a life if a prayer before a city council meeting has taken away his enjoyment of life.

Why does City Council support one denomination over all others? Why do they have to have a prayer at all? Pray at home or church.

Edited September 4, 2012 by cybercoma

[Smallc]

How can this American Woman be the same one as in the Prince Harry thread?

[Guest American Woman]

No! No! No! He's awful! He's an awful man!

He probably sounded much more awful to people who got all their information from GlenBeck.com, mind you.

Poor, poor Kimmy. Still can't comprehend acknowledge - whatever - the fact that GlenBeck.com contained the link to the National Post article and some people managed to click on it and read it and get their information from other sources, too.

If it makes you feel better, I'll re-post the same exact information I originally posted, this time taking it from the National Post:

Ferguson, [said] the Christian tradition caused him “anguish, discrimination, exclusion, rejection and loss of enjoyment of life.”

See? Same info exactly. And I managed to get it by clicking on a link to the National Post contained in The Blaze link. Amazing, eh? But do keep making it about the source even as it's correct, while making false claims about people getting all of their information from Glen Beck. Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Guest American Woman]

Are you going to answer kimmy's question or are you going to avoid it while continuing your cry of Christian Persecution?

MY cry of Christian Persecution?

Thanks for starting my day out with a laugh.

:lol:

[cybercoma]

Yeah, AW... nobody can crack the intellectual density of your posts. You're so far beyond genius that us mere pseudo-intellectuals just don't get anything you have to say.

[Guest American Woman]

Yeah, AW... nobody can crack the intellectual density of your posts. You're so far beyond genius that us mere pseudo-intellectuals just don't get anything you have to say.

Let's just say it helps to be smarter than a fifth grader.

[cybercoma]

I wouldn't know, as I'm just one of the ignorant mass of posters on these forums that is just lucky to be able to basque in the brilliance of your posts.

[Shady]

Richard Dawkins should be on the list too. He's an un-intellectual douche-bag. I miss Christopher Hitchens!

[msj]

Richard Dawkins should be on the list too. He's an un-intellectual douche-bag. I miss Christopher Hitchens!

Can you give examples of his douche bagginess?

[Guest American Woman]

I wouldn't know, as I'm just one of the ignorant mass of posters on these forums that is just lucky to be able to basque in the brilliance of your posts.

Well, you made it four days into September. Now it's time to say buh-bye again until next month.

[msj]

Well, you made it four days into September. Now it's time to say buh-bye again until next month.

I'm always amazed at the narcissism of your posts, AW.

You seem to take over thread after thread making it all about you and how you feel and the rest of us fourth graders, or less, just don't rate. Or we're persecuting Christians. Or ....

Anything to up the troll level while rarely adding anything of real substance to the discussion.

So, with that premable, I will ask kimmy's question yet again:

Do you feel the request that prayer be dropped from council meetings is reasonable?

Edited September 4, 2012 by msj

[Guest American Woman]

I'm always amazed at the narcissism of your posts, AW.

You seem to take over thread after thread making it all about you and how you feel and the rest of us fourth graders, or less, just don't rate. Or we're persecuting Christians. Or ....

Give me a break. It's not me making thread after thread about me. That would be you and your ilk. I respond to posts/posters with the level of respect given mine. Too many here love to dish it out and then whine and cry and go after anyone who has the audacity to give it back. Too many here post with all kinds of attitude and then whine and cry and criticize anyone who has the audacity to give attitude back.

For the record, I never once said you were persecuting Christians. I said some here love talking about Christians' over-reactions, and there are enough threads to prove my point. Yet when I point our the over-reaction of this atheist, not a peep about it from the "Christians claim persecution" crowd.

But yeah. He's suffered the loss of joy in his life because he had to listen to the recitation of The Lord's Prayer at city council meetings. Nothing to criticize there. Christians who over-react, however, are oh-so-fun to laugh at. This poor atheist, "persecuted" though he is, is off limits - even as his reaction is ludicrous; and frankly, it's exactly what I expected.

Anything to up the troll level while rarely adding anything of real substance to the discussion.

Translation: I don't agree with or like what you have to say, so it doesn't have any substance. What a joke, especially considering the "substance" of so many of your one liner responses.

So, with that premable, I will ask kimmy's question yet again:

Do you feel the request that prayer be dropped from council meetings is reasonable?

And I will ignore Kimmy's question yet again; first of all, because I already addressed how I feel about it, and secondly, because I've clearly, repeatedly pointed out that this is about his over-reaction. You know, just like those Christians y'all love to post about have over-reacted.

Edited September 4, 2012 by American Woman

[Smallc]

because I've clearly, repeatedly pointed out that this is about his over-reaction.

But that doesn't answer the question, at all.

[Guest American Woman]

But that doesn't answer the question, at all.

Again, I've already addressed it. And again, I'm not going to be diverted to yet another discussion about Christians. This is about him, and his over-reaction - not about the issue of prayers at the council meetings - and as long as you all refuse to have anything to say about that, as you're all too eager to talk about Christians over-reacting, I refuse to be diverted by what you all would rather talk about.

Edited September 4, 2012 by American Woman

[msj]

Give me a break. It's not me making thread after thread about me. That would be you and your ilk. I respond to posts/posters with the level of respect given mine. Too many here love to dish it out and then whine and cry and go after anyone who has the audacity to give it back. Too many here post with all kinds of attitude and then whine and cry and criticize anyone who has the audacity to give attitude back.

I'l give you a break when you have earned it.

But yeah. He's suffered the loss of joy in his life because he had to listen to the recitation of The Lord's Prayer at city council meetings. Nothing to criticize there. Christians who over-react, however, are oh-so-fun to laugh at. This poor atheist, "persecuted" though he is, is off limits - even as his reaction is ludicrous; and frankly, it's exactly what I expected.

Sure, criticize the nature of the legal system which requires reasons for a lawsuit.

Criticize him for putting down stupid reasons. That's fine too.

But you're the one going on and on about his "over reaction."

The only "over reaction" I see here is your repeated claims that he is "over reacting" while not specifically answering kimmy's legitimate question.

And I will ignore Kimmy's question yet again; first of all, because I already addressed how I feel about it,...

So you're ignoring it because you already answered it, huh?

Ok, well I have not seen your clear answer so why all this beating around the bush?

Why not simply say - yes, I agree with him in principle that there should be no prayer, or if there is a Christian prayer then room must be allowed for other faiths, or no we should let the status quo be, or whatever?

Is that so hard?

Why be so obtuse on this?

[Guest American Woman]

I'l give you a break when you have earned it.

That's as far as I've read and I won't be reading any more. Adios, amigo.