Republican National Convention 2012 coverage

[Guest Derek L]

No idea.

I do note that Jon's show tends to earn ratings that are much higher than Fox News.

Jon makes some valid points which I why I linked to it in the first place.

Since you choose not to watch the link I see no point in discussing something with someone who chooses to remain ignorant about what is being discussed.

What time is Jon Stewart on tv? 10pm? 11pm? I’m sure he get’s great ratings from his audience late night………..All his viewer’s parents have gone to bed since they work in the morning…..

[waldo]

And your oblivious to the changes that will be coming to the other branches of government as a growing number of Americans find themselves to be brown, atheistic, and/or lower middle class than the good ol' days.

clearly, the Republican Party has become the party of an older white demographic. It was a constant theme running through analysis coverage of their convention... despite the blatant attempts to put a diversity face on with guest speakers. No one talked about the lacking diversity any clearer than Jeb (the next one) Bush when he spoke directly to that point. To hear Jeb Bush acknowledge their problem was somewhat refreshing - of course, he's also the guy who stepped into it trying to defend the MIA dubbya.

[waldo]

What time is Jon Stewart on tv? 10pm? 11pm? I’m sure he get’s great ratings from his audience late night………..All his viewer’s parents have gone to bed since they work in the morning…..

about your oft described favourite teevee network - Fox News:

Fox News’ prime time lineup now averages fewer viewers than Jon Stewart’s The Daily Show. According to TVNewser, Fox News averaged 1.868 million total viewers in prime time compared to 2.3 million for The Daily Show … The reason why Fox News feels so threatened by Jon Stewart is because his program is more popular than anything not named Bill O’Reilly on the network. Not only is Stewart popular, but he is popular with the coveted young demographics that Fox News struggles with. The average Fox News viewer is 65 years old.

Jon Stewart is leaping ahead of one of his most popular targets: Fox News.

The comic's TV program, The Daily Show, beat most of the entire Fox News network in terms of total viewers, according to the May Nielson ratings.

Mr Stewart's show averaged 2.3million viewers, while most of the Fox News prime time and day time line up averaged only 1.85million viewers.

Total viewership slid 10 per cent at Fox News, which lost viewers in the valuable 25-54 demographic in every prime time show.

Bill O’Reilly's show was down 9 per cent, Sean Hannity was down 6 per cent, and Greta Van Susteren dropped 12 per cent.

The Daily Show grew 19 per cent in total viewers, with double-digit ratings growth across all key demographics.

This included people 18-49 (up +21 per cent), people 18-34 (+22 per cent), people 18-24 (+21 per cent), males 18-34 (+18 per cent) and males 18-24 (+21 per cent).

The Daily Show’s 1.344million viewers ages 18-49 in May led all late night talk shows in that demo.

[bleeding heart]

I will add that I hope the Democrats (and their minions) continue to poke fun at an elderly Mr Eastwood……Nothing like bashing an old fart.

It was an explicitly political event, and Eastwood was directly involved, and openly taking a partisan, political position, and publically criticizing the opposing party and leader.

This perfectly legitimate behaviour leaves him legitimately open to criticism from opposing partisans.

It has never, will never, and can never be any other way.

Are you saying this tough old bird shouldn't be criticized, after a political performance?

Are you saying that 84-year-old Noam Chomsky should be free from criticism?

That's not how it works.

[bleeding heart]

What time is Jon Stewart on tv? 10pm? 11pm? I’m sure he get’s great ratings from his audience late night………..All his viewer’s parents have gone to bed since they work in the morning…..

You might have also noted that Stewart's fans tend to be more knowledgeable about world events than their FOX-viewing counterparts.

But you forgot to mention it.

[Guest American Woman]

I thought that Eastwood was a rather strange choice from the get-go, and this sums up my feelings quite well in that regard: ....Eastwood, a legendary womanizer who fathered seven children with five women—including a daughter he refused to acknowledge for 32 years—followed Mitt Romney preaching “family values” and Ann Romney’s “We’re the mothers, we’re the wives…” appeal for the female vote. The source of the quote also has comments/reactions from celebrities on Eastwood's speech - none of which I feel are especially hard of him, some actually in his defense.

At any rate, this is what gets to me about the "family values" party; they simply ignore all of the contradictions within their own party and supporters, as they go after others, sometimes with a vengeance. Another example of 'acceptance' is Bristol Palin, who was a poster child for teen pregnancy according to so many Republicans/Sarah Palin supporters - because she was doing the "right" thing by getting married. So evidently to get pregnant as a teen turns into an admirable thing as long as said teen marries the father. Except she didn't. And of course we never heard any criticism, not even as she got a reality show featuring her single life. The outrage if this were a Democrat would be tremendous. Imagine, for example, if it were a daughter of John Kerry.

(And yes, I realize that there is hypocrisy within the Democratic party too, but this is about the GOP convention, so I'll save that for the other thread.)

[Guest Derek L]

It was an explicitly political event, and Eastwood was directly involved, and openly taking a partisan, political position, and publically criticizing the opposing party and leader.

This perfectly legitimate behaviour leaves him legitimately open to criticism from opposing partisans.

It has never, will never, and can never be any other way.

Are you saying this tough old bird shouldn't be criticized, after a political performance?

Are you saying that 84-year-old Noam Chomsky should be free from criticism?

That's not how it works.

I’m not complaining, don’t get me wrong, I know very much so that Clint had a political “rant”, a rant (as pointed out in Augusts’ prior link) that shows that it’s alright to laugh at some old guy poking fun at Obama in Primetime………..

As I said, I found the bit funny, but as politically relevant as the speech the Desperate Housewife will give in favour of Obama next week……….

With the caveat that continued nasty attacks on a old guy, an old guy enjoyed for decades by the “older generation” might alienate other older voters……..as I said, time will tell.

[Guest Derek L]

You might have also noted that Stewart's fans tend to be more knowledgeable about world events than their FOX-viewing counterparts.

But you forgot to mention it.

Is that a fact?

[bleeding heart]

Is that a fact?

Yep.

[msj]

What time is Jon Stewart on tv? 10pm? 11pm? I’m sure he get’s great ratings from his audience late night………..All his viewer’s parents have gone to bed since they work in the morning…..

1) For a person who complains about people for "nothing like bashing an old fart" I find it strange that you have no problem "bashing" an entire viewing demographic.

2) I don't find it strange that you would prefer to discuss tv ratings than the actual substance of what Jon Stewart raised.

3) Those kids eventually grow up and go to work in the morning and, shockingly, vote. Hence my thesis that the Republican Party will continue to evolve from an old man Christian party to something resembling the changing American population.

4) The popularity of Jon Stewart (and Colbert for that matter) is part of the reason for that change. Which is not to say that it also isn't leading some of the charge against the Democrats but that will have to wait to next week when Jon takes them down several notches.

[Guest Derek L]

Yep.

Did Jon Stewart report it? As such does it entitle “knowledgeable Stewart voters” to cast two ballots as opposed to the one ballot of O’Reilly voters?

And of the two’s viewing demographics, who’s more likely to contribute to a political party, via money and time, then ultimately vote?

[Shady]

I completely disagree. I just watched his monologue and it was clear that he was in complete control of the situation. Eastwood nailed Obama and the diehard, blindfaith Obama supporters. I'm sure that he's back at the ranch giggling to himself. He's pwnd the Obama crowd.

I frankly don't know which is funnier: Eastwood's routine or the miffed reaction of Democrats who just don't get it.

This guy got it right.

You're exactly right. Even Bill Maher gave Eastwood praise. He disagrees with Eastwoods politics, but he even admitted that Clint nailed it, and was highly effective.

[Smallc]

You're exactly right. Even Bill Maher gave Eastwood praise.

Lines like this show how little you understand Bill Maher.

[bleeding heart]

And of the two’s viewing demographics, who’s more likely to contribute to a political party, via money and time, then ultimately vote?

Either way, that's not relevant to how knowledgeable the respective viewers are.

[Shady]

Lines like this show how little you understand Bill Maher.

You obviously didn't see what he said.

[Guest Derek L]

1) For a person who complains about people for "nothing like bashing an old fart" I find it strange that you have no problem "bashing" an entire viewing demographic.

I’m not complaining, I encourage it.

2) I don't find it strange that you would prefer to discuss tv ratings than the actual substance of what Jon Stewart raised.

You brought up tv ratings:

I do note that Jon's show tends to earn ratings that are much higher than Fox News.

3) Those kids eventually grow up and go to work in the morning and, shockingly, vote. Hence my thesis that the Republican Party will continue to evolve from an old man Christian party to something resembling the changing American population.

Do you think GOP/Conservative voters were born cranky old guys?

4) The popularity of Jon Stewart (and Colbert for that matter) is part of the reason for that change. Which is not to say that it also isn't leading some of the charge against the Democrats but that will have to wait to next week when Jon takes them down several notches.

Sure, as I said, I don't watch the guy.

[Guest Derek L]

Either way, that's not relevant to how knowledgeable the respective viewers are.

Sure it is, if his more knowledgeable voters (and I mean 20 something’s) are so enlightened, why are they as politically relevant as African Americans as a voting block………….Cranky old white guys have money and vote.

[waldo]

As I said, I found the bit funny, but as politically relevant as the speech the Desperate Housewife will give in favour of Obama next week……….

which just continues to showcase your ignorance concerning U.S. politics. Clearly, you've never heard Eva Longoria speak... express her politics in an unscripted venue/forum... there's are reasons she was named one of the co-chairs of the Obama campaign, not the least of which will be front & center during the entire Democratic convention --- an astute, articulate, ethnically diverse, woman!

[Shady]

there's are reasons she was named one of the co-chairs of the Obama campaign

Kinda like Artur Davis, Obama's co-chair from '08. I guess this means she'll be speaking at the Republican convention in '16!

[waldo]

Sure it is, if his more knowledgeable voters (and I mean 20 something’s) are so enlightened, why are they as politically relevant as African Americans as a voting block………….Cranky old white guys have money and vote.

no - the Daily Show demographics reach well beyond your attempt to narrow/pigeon-hole its viewership... try 18-49.

but you are correct... the only segment of the U.S. population that Romney polls more favourably within... is the older white male segment - your described, "cranky old white guys"! You and Shady are in fine company!

[punked]

Kinda like Artur Davis, Obama's co-chair from '08. I guess this means she'll be speaking at the Republican convention in '16!

How many open congressional seats are there for the Republicans to buy people off with Shady?

[waldo]

Kinda like Artur Davis, Obama's co-chair from '08.

ah yes... the guy still pissed at the DNC for not backing his failed attempt to win the Democratic nomination for Alabama Governor. Some, possibly even the waldo, might consider that 'sour grapes', hey?

Edited September 2, 2012 by waldo

[punked]

ah yes... the guy still pissed at the DNC for not backing his failed attempt to win the Democratic nomination for Alabama Governor. Some, possibly even the waldo, might consider that 'sour grapes', hey?

That and the republicans promised him if he moves to Virginia and he is a good little yes man they will run him in seat he canning.

[BubberMiley]

I guess this means she'll be speaking at the Republican convention in '16!

You think she will support Jeb Bush?

[Shady]

You think she will support Jeb Bush?

I actually do.