Apple Corporation is Bad for Technology

GostHacked · September 17, 2012

His behavior creates wealth, employment, and improves people's lives

How evil is that?

Employees at Foxconn would tend to disagree. Well at least the ones who have not been able to commit suicide.

blueblood · September 17, 2012

Employees at Foxconn would tend to disagree. Well at least the ones who have not been able to commit suicide.

Better than the days of Mao, I think not

GostHacked · September 17, 2012

Better than the days of Mao, I think not

I know people hate when you ham on the grammar or punctuation, but I think it's important.

Boges · September 17, 2012

Can we get back to how horrible Apple products are?

GostHacked · September 17, 2012

Can we get back to how horrible Apple products are?

Sure, I hate the DRM bullshit that comes with iTunes.

cybercoma · September 17, 2012

Can we get back to how horrible Apple products are?

Do you use Apple products?

cybercoma · September 17, 2012

Sure, I hate the DRM bullshit that comes with iTunes.

DRM isn't exactly exclusive to Apple.

MiddleClassCentrist · September 17, 2012

Do you use Apple products?

We have an iPod. It's a pain in the ass. Don't know how anyone could have thought the thing was "intuitive".

We had an iBook, it was a piece of trash.

I dont support companies that sell garbage at premium prices. Even if they try to fix up their act and still sell for a huge premium while claiming to be something different.

Macs aren't magical. They are identical to PC's physically. Made with the exact same parts. Apple couldn't even write it's own operating system. It had to use Unix because they refused to hire proper operating system engineers. OS9 was absolute garbage.

The list of Apple product failiures is much higher than their successes.

http://9gag.com/gag/5195630 (Did apple ever really invent the software they claim to have?)

(Has apple ever really invented anything - Hardware)

cybercoma · September 18, 2012

We have an iPod. It's a pain in the ass. Don't know how anyone could have thought the thing was "intuitive".

We had an iBook, it was a piece of trash.

The iPod is the biggest selling MP3 player ever made. I'm not sure what you find so unintuitive about it, but it's a hell of a lot more intuitive than the other ones on the market that I've used.

And what's an iBook?

I know the iPad/iPhone/iPod Touch have an app called iBooks, but I've never heard of a standalone iBook device.

msj · September 18, 2012

And what's an iBook?

MCC is still stuck in the early 2000's.

Apple should never have tried getting into the bottom feeder market that other companies do well at.

Know thy market and all that - even Apple makes mistakes as any quality company does from time to time.

Just like in life the great learn from their failures and move on to bigger and better things.

Pocket PC anyone? Windows Me anyone?

Nah, I don't want to go back 10ish years either. :lol:

MiddleClassCentrist · September 18, 2012

MCC is still stuck in the early 2000's.

Apple should never have tried getting into the bottom feeder market that other companies do well at.

Know thy market and all that - even Apple makes mistakes as any quality company does from time to time.

Just like in life the great learn from their failures and move on to bigger and better things.

Pocket PC anyone? Windows Me anyone?

Nah, I don't want to go back 10ish years either.

Is this how you got your serving of God(Apple) today MSJ? :lol:

Apple fans (especially those that go to blindly defend their beloved corporation) experience the same religious brainwaves looking at Steve Jobs, Apple Logo and Apple products as Christians do looking at the cross, Jesus and other imagery. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-05-21/tech/29982282_1_apple-stores-steve-jobs-brain

Maybe meet up at the Apple chapel [Apple Store] for a prayer or two later?

There's just no logical reason to pay 2-3times as much to accomplish the same task. It's like paying for an entry BMW that's really just a Ford Focus, made at a ford plant with a slightly different type of oil that may or may not work better and some chrome wheels.

Edited September 18, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

msj · September 18, 2012

Is this how you got your serving of God(Apple) today MSJ?

Apple fans (especially those that go to blindly defend their beloved corporation) experience the same religious brainwaves looking at Steve Jobs, Apple Logo and Apple products as Christians do looking at the cross, Jesus and other imagery. http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-05-21/tech/29982282_1_apple-stores-steve-jobs-brain

Maybe meet up at the Apple chapel [Apple Store] for a prayer or two later?

I'm hardly an Apple fan.

I own more PC's than Apples if you include all the PC's I own at the two offices.

That doesn't lead me to bow down towards Redmond five times a day either.

Steve Jobs was a jerk and an idiot who could have saved himself if he didn't buy into alternative medical nonsense.

You, though, are an anti-Apple fanboi.

Apple makes good stuff and people like me do buy some of that stuff and, gasp, even enjoy it.

As I've said elsewhere: when a product is 0.3 ish percent of your income price is irrelevant.

I used to be as sad as you, MCC.

I used to hate Apple for no discernible reason (since I wasn't using their products I was truly ignorant of them so really shouldn't have been such a hater).

But I'm ignorant no more since I started using.

But different strokes for different folks, eh?

Boges · September 18, 2012

Do you use Apple products?

Yes. They're alright but way overpriced. The I phone is way over matched by its competitors.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Boges

Boges · September 18, 2012

The iBook is what apples laptops uses to be called. Those gaudy things made of translucent coloured plastic

MiddleClassCentrist · September 18, 2012

I used to hate Apple for no discernible reason (since I wasn't using their products I was truly ignorant of them so really shouldn't have been such a hater).

I have plenty of logical reasons, you just choose to ignore them.

- Sell parts for an outrageous premium when they can be found for less than half the price elsewhere.

- Didn't even make their on Operating System (The only thing that makes Macs different)

- Poor customer service -> Had to be sued before they replaced shoddy iBook/iPod hardware

- Pusher of planned/forced obsolescence

- Has a patent to prevent iPhone users from taking pictures at concerts to protect potential copyright. (Big Brother Apple Corp)

- Deletes eBooks off of your electronics without refund because Apple made a mistake (Big Brother Apple Corp)

- Apple actively participated in price fixing of eBooks "The customer pays more, but that's what you want anyway" - Steve Jobs

- Steve Jobs also refused to admit his daughter was his, and let her live on welfare for years.

There's more. No tech company has as much dirty baggages as Apple. If there was one thing I learned in Philosophy 101, it's that the greatest injustice is an unjust man seeming just to those around him. That is Apple.

If I'm a hater of anything, it's people who mindlessly promote Apple.

Edited September 18, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

msj · September 18, 2012

The iBook is what apples laptops uses to be called. Those gaudy things made of translucent coloured plastic

Yeah, because polycarbonate is so classy.

msj · September 18, 2012

I have plenty of logical reasons, you just choose to ignore them.

[snip for brevity]

There's more. No tech company has as much dirty baggages as Apple. If there was one thing I learned in Philosophy 101, it's that the greatest injustice is an unjust man seeming just to those around him. That is Apple.

If I'm a hater of anything, it's people who mindlessly promote Apple.

Can't say I've had any of the problems that you have listed.

I also do not see where I have promoted Apple, nevermind "mindlessly" promoted them.

I have liked the products I have experience with.

For me paying a premium for their OS is worth the price. I don't care who made it. All I know is that I can only buy it from Apple so that's where I get it.

But other people's mileage will vary.

As for dirty baggage - I have had many terrible experiences with Microsh!t and Adobe and Chrome, for that matter. Still use the products, though.

All companies have their haters.

Some are more irrational than others.

dre · September 18, 2012

I think apple makes good stuff. It IS a little overpriced, but Iv had good experience with their products.

But all this patent litigation has really turned me off and I think its a blatant attack on consumers. When my current iphone dies (its about my fourth) I will now buy a new Galaxy.

blueblood · September 18, 2012

I like the apple stuff because it's simple to use and it works. I can almost set my watch to it. It does everything I want it to efficiently. I'll be trading off my blackberry (processor is shot on it) for an iPhone which im already familiar with based on he iPad2 and iPod touch I have. I have an old laptop that's essentially a hard drive with a screen that doesn't do a lot. The iPad gets used ALOT. 5 gb of data for 35 per month and fast enough to watch YouTube basically priced a laptop and an I ternet stick out of the picture. Not to mention my iPad is still fast vs a PC which for some reason becomes slow. I don't know much about computers to be tinkering with them all the time. And apparently according to apples sales figutpres so do a lot of other people.

Apples iPhone line is worth more than Microsoft. That's nuts!

Boges · September 18, 2012

Tablets are cool if you're a casual computer user. Most people are and that's why people get tabs now.

Apple is ripping people off with their iPhone product. Now they're changing the wired adapter. The iPhone5 changes the proportions of the screen so older apps will have letterboxes. It's only matched year old Galaxy phones in terms of RAM and Speed. No NFC which could be the future of purchasing products. The only positive is that they finally got around to offering 4G/LTE.

The new OS is nifty but you won't need an iPhone5 to enjoy it.

The iPod Touch line is even more hilarious. It's minimum price is still $200! You can get a quality Tab for that. If you don't have a smartphone and you want an Mp3 player, you can get a Nano, Shuffle or a $20 player at the grocery store.

Most people's exposure to iOS (I know mine is) is getting the iPod Touch because smartphone penetration wasn't nearly as much as it is now. Pretty much if you want a new phone from carriers you have to get a smartphone now.(with an Mp3 player included) But now the idea of an iPod Touch is outdated. That's why there's no competition.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Boges

blueblood · September 18, 2012

Tablets are cool if you're a casual computer user. Most people are and that's why people get tabs now.

Apple is ripping people off with their iPhone product. Now they're changing the wired adapter. The iPhone5 changes the proportions of the screen so older apps will have letterboxes. It's only matched year old Galaxy phones in terms of RAM and Speed. No NFC which could be the future of purchasing products. The only positive is that they finally got around to offering 4G/LTE.

The new OS is nifty but you won't need an iPhone5 to enjoy it.

The iPod Touch line is even more hilarious. It's minimum price is still $200! You can get a quality Tab for that. If you don't have a smartphone and you want an Mp3 player, you can get a Nano, Shuffle or a $20 player at the grocery store.

Most people's exposure to iOS (I know mine is) is getting the iPod Touch because smartphone penetration wasn't nearly as much as it is now. Pretty much if you want a new phone from carriers you have to get a smartphone now.(with an Mp3 player included) But now the idea of an iPod Touch is outdated. That's why there's no competition.

I got the touch because I have a berry. I got my 200 out of it, Im still getting the phone because the contract is up and the processor on the berry is shot. The iPod touch is geared toward guys who have other phones but still want music. Given that the iTunes store is gravy, lots of people use it to get music because of the fast speed, safety, and security. The touch is great for putting music in the machinery which is it's job while I work. The touch is actually on the cheap end of tablet computers. Has just as much space as the pad, just a tiny screen.

Boges · September 18, 2012

I got the touch because I have a berry. I got my 200 out of it, Im still getting the phone because the contract is up and the processor on the berry is shot. The iPod touch is geared toward guys who have other phones but still want music. Given that the iTunes store is gravy, lots of people use it to get music because of the fast speed, safety, and security. The touch is great for putting music in the machinery which is it's job while I work. The touch is actually on the cheap end of tablet computers. Has just as much space as the pad, just a tiny screen.

Having a Touch and an iPhone is beyond redundant. Downloading music on iTunes sucks. You can't use it for other purposes, I'd rather use Amazon. (if I'm not using a bittorrent that is. Yeah you can download bittorrents on Android Phones because they are awesome!)

It was a pain to have it and my older phone in the same pocket. Also after about a couple of years, the earphone jack stopped working properly.

Edited September 18, 2012 by Boges

MiddleClassCentrist · September 18, 2012

Having a Touch and an iPhone is beyond redundant. Downloading music on iTunes sucks. You can't use it for other purposes, I'd rather use Amazon. (if I'm not using a bittorrent that is. Yeah you can download bittorrents on Android Phones because they are awesome!)

It was a pain to have it and my older phone in the same pocket. Also after about a couple of years, the earphone jack stopped working properly.

They have android music players for people who don't have an irrational need to spend lots of money. I'm waiting to see if they pick up a bit, or if that market of a tiny tablet that is useless for anything but simple games and plays music sticks around.

Edited September 18, 2012 by MiddleClassCentrist

Boges · September 19, 2012

They have android music players for people who don't have an irrational need to spend lots of money. I'm waiting to see if they pick up a bit, or if that market of a tiny tablet that is useless for anything but simple games and plays music sticks around.

Stand alone Mp3 players are a passing fad. And enhanced mp3 players like the iPod touch are rather irrelevant. Again you pretty much have to buy a smartphone from carriers now. All phones play mp3's now.

The Super/Smartphone will soon take the place of your wallet. It's already replaced several devices people uses to have all in one product.

If you're one of those people that can't afford a smartphone, I saw an mp3 player at the checkout line at a grocery store recently. I think it was $20. :huh:

The really shitty thing about iPods is that it requires iTunes to load music. I can load music on my Android phone straight from my browser wirelessly. For the really cheap mp3 players all you need to do is click drag and drop like a flash drive.