jbg Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Iranians have no interest in war and would love to come out from under the mullahs. But if they perceive a threat to Iran, they will unite, even under the mullahs. It's why our bellicosity is self-defeating.The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Normal people. After 33 years of Mullahland, I'm not sure anyone left in that country could be called 'normal'. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dre Posted June 18, 2012 Author Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. They kickstarted the chain of events that lead to theocratic rule, and they directly supported acts of aggression against Iran and its people. Seems like enough to me, to make folks in Iran view you as a threat. Quote I question things because I am human. And call no one my father who's no closer than a stranger
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. And Iranians have not hurt Israel or the US. Just words. You want to play word games with them, you're just playing into their hands. Quote
eyeball Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 After 33 years of Mullahland, I'm not sure anyone left in that country could be called 'normal'. That sounds like a good morally sensible reason for anyone outside of Iran to stop rattling their cage and doing even more harm wouldn't you think? Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
eyeball Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. Oh bullshit. You know damn well it was our overthrow of democracy in Iran way back in 1953 that started us down the path to where we are today. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 DogOnPorch, on 18 June 2012 - 09:54 AM, said:After 33 years of Mullahland, I'm not sure anyone left in that country could be called 'normal'. That sounds like a good morally sensible reason for anyone outside of Iran to stop rattling their cage and doing even more harm wouldn't you think? Compared to the rest of the region, the Iranians seem like the most 'normal' bunch going. Quote
jbg Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 They kickstarted the chain of events that lead to theocratic rule, and they directly supported acts of aggression against Iran and its people. Seems like enough to me, to make folks in Iran view you as a threat. The problem is more with the West as a whole than any specific action anyone took. The common people hate and fear the West. I'm not sure that appeasement makes the situation better. If anything it makes it worse. Remember, the Japanese hated and feared the West. The events of August 14, 1945 and the Enola Gay gave them reason to have a change of heart. And Iranians have not hurt Israel or the US. Just words. You want to play word games with them, you're just playing into their hands. The hostage crisis. The meddling in Syria and Gaza?You are kidding. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem is more with the West as a whole than any specific action anyone took. The common people hate and fear the West. I'm not sure that appeasement makes the situation better. If anything it makes it worse. Remember, the Japanese hated and feared the West. The events of August 14, 1945 and the Enola Gay gave them reason to have a change of heart. The hostage crisis. The meddling in Syria and Gaza? You are kidding. Figured you'd go there. Reagan made a deal for the hostages that seemed satisfactory to him - you really want to use that to stir up trouble in the region now? As for Hamas, Israel and US support for it bears no responsibility for problems in the region? The US can fund Israel to continue it's expansionist policies, and that's not a problem, but Iran funding the other side is? Quote
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem is more with the West as a whole than any specific action anyone took. The common people hate and fear the West. You have something to back that up. Sounds like BS to me. I've never heard that about Iranians. Quote
jbg Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Figured you'd go there. Reagan made a deal for the hostages that seemed satisfactory to him - you really want to use that to stir up trouble in the region now?The Iranians have done plenty to stir up trouble since then. The hostage release cam from fear of the "new unknown", that at the time being Reagan. As for Hamas, Israel and US support for it bears no responsibility for problems in the region? The US can fund Israel to continue it's expansionist policies, and that's not a problem, but Iran funding the other side is? Israel's mere presence is the problem. Their "expansionism" comes from the three "nos" of Khartoum; no peace, no recognition, no negotiations. The total rejection of peace by the Arabs forced Israel to Plan B, which was to seek defensible borders. Quote Free speech: "You can say what you want, but I don't have to lend you my megaphone." Always remember that when you are in the right you can afford to keep your temper, and when you are in the wrong you cannot afford to lose it. - J.J. Reynolds. Will the steps anyone is proposing to fight "climate change" reduce a single temperature, by a single degree, at a single location? The mantra of "world opinion" or the views of the "international community" betrays flabby and weak reasoning (link).
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 What are those borders? Why chip away at Palestine bit by bit instead of just taking the land they feel they need for defense, in that case? What does a defensible border look like in modern warfare? Quote
GostHacked Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. So all those Iranian nuclear scientists committed suicide then? You'd be naive to think that the US and Israel are NOT covertly operating within Iran. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 That sounds like a good morally sensible reason for anyone outside of Iran to stop rattling their cage and doing even more harm wouldn't you think? I agree. Besides, nuclear weapons make for some mighty impressive mushroom clouds. Those who have seen them go off claim they're quite beautiful. Especially at sunset. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Compared to the rest of the region, the Iranians seem like the most 'normal' bunch going. Yeah...they only hang the homosexuals rather than defiling the corpse. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 So all those Iranian nuclear scientists committed suicide then? You'd be naive to think that the US and Israel are NOT covertly operating within Iran. You're naive to always point a finger at Israel/US. Like they're the only farmers with roosters in this cock fight. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 What are those borders? Why chip away at Palestine bit by bit instead of just taking the land they feel they need for defense, in that case? What does a defensible border look like in modern warfare? A nice river for one. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Guest Manny Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 The problem with that view is that neither Israel nor the U.S. have really done anything to hurt any Iranian. It's not our bellicosity that came first, or is the problem. That's right, the west never interfered in Iranian affairs, ever. :rolleyes: Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 That's right, the west never interfered in Iranian affairs, ever. :rolleyes: No Iranian is capable of forming a coup. Nope. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Canuckistani Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 A nice river for one. And you can't understand how the people being pushed into that river might try to push back? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 And you can't understand how the people being pushed into that river might try to push back? Oh please. Perhaps they should have asked Jordan and Egypt for their precious Muftistan. You're the expert. Why wasn't Palestine an issue pre-1967? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 You're naive to always point a finger at Israel/US. Like they're the only farmers with roosters in this cock fight. Who else has a vested interest in Iran not getting a nuclear weapon besides Israel and the USA? I am naive in some areas, but this is not just willy-nilly finger pointing. http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4175459,00.html Israel's Mossad was behind the recent killing of a senior Iranian nuclear scientist, Western intelligence sources told Time Magazine."Like three previous Iranian scientists ambushed on their morning commute, the latest nuclear expert to die on his way to work was a victim of Israel's Mossad," Time reported Saturday. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Saudi Arabia for one. Do you want me to find it on a map for you? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
GostHacked Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Saudi Arabia for one. Do you want me to find it on a map for you? Nah, I can do that, thanks for the offer. However, you could maybe possibly inform me as to WHY Saudi Arabia does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted June 18, 2012 Report Posted June 18, 2012 Nah, I can do that, thanks for the offer. However, you could maybe possibly inform me as to WHY Saudi Arabia does not want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. Sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a%E2%80%93Sunni_relations Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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